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TOPIC: Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom?

Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2281

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I heard from one of our Malaysian oversea farmers, who owns a Plantation. He is selling a strain called Mitragyna Javanica, and there was a farmer in Africa who claimed to also have been selling it. I don't know if I believe the fella in Africa. I know that it can grow there, naturally, but I'm weary of this. African Kratom? Hmmm, there sure are a lot of scams originating from over there right now, naturally I would be sketchy about this. The man in Africa said he calls it Elephant Kratom, Mitragyna Javanica. When I spoke to the oversea farmer, he said that it's "fake Kratom", which used to sell well in his nation during it's peak-time of prohibition regarding Mitragyna Speciosa. I guess things have eased down over there for the plant, but that's another topic for a different thread.

I find this newer strain interesting. I don't know too much about it. I have heard a lot of bad things about it from my wholesalers and it sells very cheaply...but I'm curious about it's affects medically speaking. I believe there is potential for it, but I'm not sure. As an approved vendor, I probably shouldn't expand upon any medical related stuff, but I wanted to bring an article to this board which could be discussed here, as well as update people about it because it doesn't seem to be as well-known as the other strains.
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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2282

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I have never heard of this.. I appreciate the insight so we can beware of being ripped off by non-approved vendors.
I'm going to look into this and if I find anything on it, ill post.
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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2286

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I have some javanica. I don't sell it, but I considered it for the places where kratom is banned and I wanted to see it for myself. I think it would be difficult to actually try to pass it off as mitragyna speciosa because the taste and smell is very, very different. In fact it's very gross, much wore than Speciosa and pretty distinct.
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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2289

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That could get you some bad reviews. I'd think twice before selling it without a disclaimer.
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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2291

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Well I certainly wouldn't sell it as speciosa, but it is used in Thailand in place of mitragyna and I understand that you guys have only recently heard of it, it's not entirely worthless, it's just not as good as regular kratom. I have chosen not to sell it because I don't have enough experience with it but there are venders who sell it to people in kratom banned states because while speciosa is banned in some states, javanica is legal in all 50 states and has similar but much more mild effects.. it tastes god awful. Of course I am talking about vendors selling Javanica as Javanica, not Javanica as Speciosa, which would be completely unethical. I don't know any vendors who would do such a thing but maybe they exist. My original point was, however, that I don't know how anyone could try to pass it off as Kratom becauSe it smells and tastes completely different.

Oh and I thought I'd add that it Does grow native in Africa.
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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2292

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The Durian of Kratom huh? Hmmmm

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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 5 months ago #2293

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Ha ha, yeah you could say that. I could send you some so you know what I'm talking about and what to watch out for. I d personally don't think it's effects are worth the taste or smell.

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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 4 months ago #3109

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I am seeing a conversation of this on kcforums.com and I quoted you with the above information. :) just wanted tolet you know.. this is INTERESTING! how much of this are vendors and farmers mixing in with our pure leaf? not all but im sure some are doing so..

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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 4 months ago #3117

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There is a third species too. I'm not sure if Javanica is Pig Ketum, but so far I have seen three drastically different species. I know that there is one called Rose Ketum. I think Rose knows more about this, I'll PM her.

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Mitragyna Javanica - Kratom that's not quite Kratom? 3 years 4 months ago #3121

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I believe Pig Kratom is not a different species, it's a strain of Speciosa, like elephant kratom is just a weird name for a strain of Speciosa. It's called elephant kratom because the leaves are much bigger, like elephant ears, but it is still Speciosa, as far as I know. Jeff, I'm not sure why that guy was telling you that the Java was elephant kratom? I've had real elephant kratom, it was excellent. Javanica is not excellent, lol.
There are more than three species of Mitragyna but,I believe the most common species are Mitragyna Speciosa, Mitragyna Javanica, and Mitragyna Parvifolia. I know of a supplier who sells all three of these. And of course he is honest about what he is selling, and doesn't try to pass one off for another. He sells them for what they are.

Here's what I think about the theory that people could be cutting Speciosa with Javanica or Parvifolia: It just doesn't make much sense for a vendor to do that because then he/she would then have an inferior product, besides the fact that it's 100% unethical. They couldn't build a customer base because the product wouldn't be good. It would make more sense to just sell a good product and build your customer base by doing good, honest business for a lasting company. I don't believe that one could even really get away with more than a few times, and their reputation would just get worse and worse, they would struggle. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but I think it's very rare.
I'd like to think that most vendors want to sell great product and do good business, not screw people over.
We come into this business because we're passionate about this plant, passionate about natural health, and passionate about helping others. It takes a lot of work to to run a business with so much competition and with the controversy attached to it. It's a labor of love :x , You really have to be passionate about what you're doing in this business, I know the other vendors that post on here can attest to that, they are good, hard working people. The farmers are also very hard working, good people. It just doesn't make sense to me that somebody would get into this business, just to rip people off. :dry:

That's my thoughts, anyway. I do tend to be optimistic about people, but I think my optimism is accurate :P I sure hope I don't sound preachy...

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