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TOPIC: How many Red Bali 500mg capsules to equal pain relief of Hydrocodone

How many Red Bali 500mg capsules to equal pain relief of Hydrocodone 3 weeks 5 days ago #45425

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Hi there ! Thank you for welcoming into this forum !

I have been on a high dose of hydrocodone/apap for several years, due to injuries sustained after I was hit by a semi.

I have a broken tailbone that never healed. Two broken ribs never healed either. Jaw broken causes lots of headaches. Also fractured several lower back discs and the nerve damage is super intense. Also developed severe mybromyalgia.

Note...after my pain management doc decided to lower dose of pain relief, I was put on the world’s most horrid drug...Lyrica.

I am trying to wean off of Lyrica now, and with the lack of opioid medication, plus the Lyrica withdrawals, the pain is horrendous.

I would consider myself very opioid tolerant but not addicted.

Red Bali Kratom capsules were recommended to me. But I have no idea how many to take to get the same pain relief I did with my opioid medication. Relaxation and sedation would also be helpful because I now have terrible insomnia. The insomnia is due to the weaning of Lyrica, not from lack of hydrocodone/apap. I cannot deal with stimulants, though !

I would welcome any suggestions here ! I’m in a great deal of pain and very wide awake but find lack of sleep quite debilitating !

Thank you so much !
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How many Red Bali 500mg capsules to equal pain relief of Hydrocodone 3 weeks 5 days ago #45426

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Hey Suz!!

I’m sorry your in pain , I can relate about getting off anti depressants... .One of the worst withdraws I’ve ever experienced, I do believe kratom can be very beneficial for the pain you’re in as well as the withdrawing from both medications, it’s hard to give you some sort of ratio for kratom to equaling hydrocodone effects .. they’re so not the same ...but I can tell you that of anything I’ve tried in my life to help me with my chronic pain and the depression and anxiety that came with it ....kratom is WAY more effective and so much safer incomparably safer than any opiates out there ..

My first week of taking kratom I stopped my antidepressants/ cold turkey ...DONT DO THAT !!wean and introduce kratom while weaning off your medications ... since I started taking kratom I have zero desire for any opiates, where before kratom I’d always welcome them ..

I’d try a few diff reds and perhaps some greens and gold varieties ... here’s a few vendors I be really enjoyed and had great success with..

Approved ILK vendors :
InSense/GoldLeaf Botanical
Otie’s Botanical
Nature’s Cure

Some non ILK approved vendors that I absolutely love
Benni Botanical
Lucky Herbal’s
SofloKratom
Fused Flora

More folks will add to this conversation, we will totally help in whatever way we can! This is the best kratom forum you stumbled upon, beautiful caring folks trying to find ways to help alleviate ailments ... kratom for a lot of us simply is the best tool (or one of them )that we’ve found !!

Brandon
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How many Red Bali 500mg capsules to equal pain relief of Hydrocodone 3 weeks 5 days ago #45427

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Hello Suz welcome to the forum,

Pull up a chair and join our functional dysfunction , someone one said that lovingly about our group (Laurie?)

Prior opiate pain medication use most likely will have a factor with your dosing. If you are currently using hydrocodone, you might not notice the effects of kratom. If you already tapered down or off I have seen 3 to 4 grams to be the average.(some people higher but its best to find you lowest working dose first) This is very subjective- dosing and strain use are different per individual. We will be here to guide you. If you take more than needed headaches or nausea is common. The recommend starting dose is 2 grams, even though for some this might be too much. but I still recommend 2 grams for non opiate history- higher for having a history.
Taking lyrica - I an mot sure if the guidelines are the same because its a different type of medicine, a Gaba?

Red Bali seems like a good choice for your pain management issues.

More people will be on shortly with a greater insight than I have.

Quick tips.
Drink planty of water with Kratom
Manage digestive issues
Consider using powder(buy a pocket scale for accurate dosing)
add turmeric, or ginger and black pepper along with you pain management dosing.

I take kratom for spinal arthritis-
I take 2.4 grams of Reds at night
I take 1.7 grams of greens during the day
I take powder with turmeric and pepper in plain water and weigh all my doses.
I have little history with pain meds(I used spinal cortisone injections)

If you need more caps options I been keeping a list of approved vendors let me know I will post the links.


Sorry about your injuries, if you stick around you will find a very supportive group that will help you with ideas to manage pain. A polite warning most pain management doctors are not receptive to kratom use, if they test for it or find out they might drop you as a patient.
Good luck
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Thank you so much for your kind and informative welcome ! I appreciate how thoroughly you replied.

I will certainly put all of your information to good use. I have been well warned about coming off Lyrica ( which they gave me for fibromyalgia ) cold turkey, and I certainly will NOT be doing that. It is way easier to get off the painkillers to me !

Again, thank you so much !
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hey suz!

happy to have you here. truly. sorry about your circumstances that brought you here. if you need a knock you out red theres a few that work for ME every time. they vary in companies and price point.

in sense or gold leaf botanicals- dark red mang da, red dragon, or red 'bent'

oregon kratom- red bali

kratom eye- big red

re-leaf llc in maine- heavy pillow is my fave right now. I literally HAD to go to bed. felt almost buzzed. and I wasn't lol. their dream X2, and super red re-mix is awesome as well.

I also recommend a scale/ and ingesting the product out of the caps. it reacts faster and works better for immediate pain relief. toss and wash is easy to do once you get the hang of it. or dissolve it in any good quality juice. let it sit for a half hour to overnight. im told the acid helps pull out the active ingredients too.

also, there are a lot of herbals that help with pain and anxiety. in sense has a great reasonable 'other herbals' section. corydalis and skullcap are very good for nighttime use. they help with pain and rock you to sleep. I use both at one time or another. and they both have overall health benefits.

for daytime use I recommend akuamma and Incarvillea. they don't help as much as kratom but when used with can help when you are in agony.

other herbals im experimenting with are white willow bark, wild lettuce, and phellodendron at night for other health benefits. im curious about indian warrior if anyone has tried! but yes we are all trial and error on what works for us. our own guinea pigs so to speak! as long as youre not preggers or breastfeeding, most of these herbs have little to no side effects!

anyways.. rambling.. please feel free to ask us specific questions when youre ready! glad you found us!;)
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How many Red Bali 500mg capsules to equal pain relief of Hydrocodone 3 weeks 5 days ago #45436

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by the way.. oties, fused flora, and Bennis are all great vendors. just haven't tried any just red from them..i don't take just a red often and have to widdle down what I have.

oties red gold gave me good awakening slight 'get it done' buzz but with great pain relief. its a red/ white mix I believe. I loved it so much I wrote a review on their site. it made most people sleepy. ( but not me- then again it might have if I was honeymooning )

re-leaf also has a strain called 'the addict' that is supposed to be amazing in helping to get off anything.
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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, Suz! I can’t recall a medication I hate more than lyrica! Awful awful stuff. No wonder you’re looking at botanical alternatives (sounds vaguely familiar..).

So sorry to hear about your accident and lack of proper healing!

I only wish to ask where you got those capsules from. Maybe I missed that. The rest of the fam damily gave you excellent suggestions for making purchases to arm you well for this project. Definitely expect to feel “underwhelmed” by kratom due to opiate use, BUT IT STILL HELPS. Just not noticeably/pleasantly. You may end up preferring kratom over opiates for your long road of pain management ahead! Not a bad plan at all!

So sorry you’re stuck waiting to stop feeling awful from that Lyrica! Ugh
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Kratom can be overwhelming, there is a lot of information to read, but it can also be easy. I had luck my first dose at 2 grams a Red Borneo and adjusted a little up to find a sweet spot. I also started with capsules. After I piled on reading information I have a routine for mangling my pain and been successful for over 2 years.
Forums like this one help with rough patches and trials and errors.
It can also be easy if your lucky, one ILK member Catspaw was able to take capsules and right away found relief, she was forced to taper her hydrocodone and Kratom helped her through it. One of the easiest transitions I have seen.


No doctor should force anyone to taper off a successful pain management routine its criminal but since this is happening I hope kratom is your answer.

*Re-leaf LLC has excellent product just want to give you the heads up if you check them out and are confused by their store model just come on here and ask questions.*

No question is stupid on this forum.
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Thank you to all who replied so quickly and thoroughly ! I know I will have more questions in the future, and it is of great comfort to me that you have a community like this !

Laurie, thank you for understanding how truly evil Lyrica is ! I never wanted to be on it. Then my doc kept upping my dosage, saying I would gave more relief. I did not...it got worse and I suffer horrible side effects ! If kratom can help me at all while I taper, I will truly consider myself blessed !

I am currently having trouble finding places to get the best kratom I can with either a credit card or Zelle. I refuse to do bitcoin or certified check. If anyone who suggested different companies could tell me which will take a credit card or zelle payment, I would appreciate it. But each of you has already given me so much, and I am very grateful !
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Hi again, Suz! Yes I sympathize with you on the lyrica lies...

We don’t mention credit card processing here any longer because it brought a sudden problem to that service for those we mentioned. For that reason, you may try checking your private messages (scroll up and it’s at the bottom of the list. If not, tap INDEX to get it to show up). Y’all please pm some suggestions for cc processing vendors? I only know of one because I rarely shop anymore because I bought TOO MUCH for years..

Almost every vendor accepts e-check. If you’re not opposed to using that option (same result as a debit card transaction-so you need to have the funds). Your shopping options are much wider if you can do that route.

Definitely shop around the ILK APPROVED VENDOR LIST because there are SO MANY SPECIAL PEOPLE behind these “small” businesses! Many are suffering as well and only got into this as a way of bringing good product at good prices to more people. How they work so hard to manage the NEVER ENDING details of customer service is beyond me.

Definitely plan to feel better soon...even if it’s just less miserable to start...
Laurie
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