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TOPIC: Quitting Suboxone from Home

Quitting Suboxone from Home 3 years 4 weeks ago #4892

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Hello.

I don't know if this topic has been discussed, I tried to search on the site and didn't see anything. I just thought maybe my personal experience could help anybody out there who is looking for help getting off the medication Suboxone. I am NOT a medical professional. I have juggled many opiates for the last 10 years of my life, and finally settled into maintenance Suboxone. The drug has many pros and cons, but is legally and cost-wise difficult to get, and legal doctor visits are cash and monthy. I just wanted to say I successfully have been off Suboxone for 9 months. I use kratom as part of my vitamin regimen, capsule form. I wasted so much money, time, and jobs in the opiate cycle, and finally with kratom I can taste flavors, feel emotions, and not have to chase a doctor for a medication that gets you looked down on for even calling a pharmacy for. I'm not telling anybody it's the 'right way', but I'm free of suboxone, finally, and believe it or not it was almost completely painless. I tapered my prescribed dose gradually over several weeks, waited 2 days to start feeling sick, then used a combo of Immodium (yes, the diarrhea pills) and kratom. It's now September and I am free of Suboxone with no WDs during my transition. There are many changes you'll feel after you stop, but that is better discussed at the Suboxone forums. I just wanted to say if you are wondering how to quit Subs or have tried without success, I've done it, and without pain. Message me if you want to ask. I'm not giving medical advice, just my personal experience. I am far from where I want to be in my life, but I feel a huge weight is lifted off of me now that I don't have to worry about where my suboxone will come from. It is a very long lasting, strong drug. It might not feel like it when you're taking it, but trying to quit will show you how strong it is. I can give anybody more details but I think it would be easier if I typed it up, step by step. I'll post it later, shortened to just the facts.
(Just an idea of my situation: I had NOT started taking opiates years ago for a medical reason. It was purely recreational, to feel good, and spiraled down very fast. I am NOT recommending anybody go against doctor advice or stop taking their prescriptions for medical conditions!! My opiate problems were voluntary.)
After finding a suboxone doctor in my 20s, (I am 35 now) I Took suboxone off and on, interspersed with street opiates (H as well) for several more years. The suboxone DID help me very much, it allowed me to function responsibly, work hard, no cravings for illegally gotten opiates. Then I dabbled with street opiates again (stupidly), and stopped the suboxone. I'm not going to get into a ProCon suboxone debate. It worked very well for me. My reason for posting this on a kratom site is for if and when you decide you want to stop the suboxone, or have tried, and have found it very very hard or impossible, to give people with LIMITED RESOURCES (as in, no insurance, don't/can't go to detox, don't want to tell a doctor, don't have much money, etc). The last 2.5 years I was only on suboxone, around 2-4 mg a day, buying it from a friend.
My home 'detox' (it was more a transition than a detox) cost me very little, much less than a suboxone script. And I was NOT bed-ridden or feeling the painful rainbow of withdrawal. It was not 'perfectly easy', but a hundred times better than trying to tough it out, going crazy, in a bed for weeks. Suboxone gives you a lot of fake energy and painkilling effects that you don't realize, until it's taken away.
I bought vitamins, OTC items like Imodium (Imodium is very important, not just for diarrhea, I'll add details later.), melatonin, aspirin, Gatorade, good simple food and healthy shakes, etc, and a months supply of kratom (I'll give details on strains I got and amounts later). I was not bed-ridden, sick, or in pain. I was able to eat, sleep a little, and even excersize. After my several week (you don't have to stay home or in bed while you do this, that's whats great. You might need a week off, but you won't be in agony, and can function, if you have to do things) home suboxone taper, then the final 'jump' (jump refers to when you take your last dose of medication/drug), I am now taking 4 grams of kratom every 12 hours (8 grams a day), in capsule form. I started with more. The kratom really helps with any cravings. Any cravings I ever do have now for opiates are more of a 'passing thought' in my head, mental imagery, not a need, and ignored.
Good luck all opiate slaves, you can totally quit and kratom can help make it much easier! Suboxone stays in you for a really long time. Several days. If you took your last dose a day or 2 ago and feel OK, you might not be in the clear, and things probably will get bad soon. If you plan on quitting, don't suddenly stop, or be caught short without a home kit to help you. The tapering is the key to let your body adjust. Plan it out. Having things to help you detox and get past it isn't being 'weak'. It's the end result that matters, which is being off Subs. Kratom is not a magic bullet though. It won't work for the 'in-between' times that you run out of pills or subs. It's a natural herb, not a lab-engineered drug. Kratom can be the final gentle tool to use when you really are ready to let the pill lifestyle go. It will take time. You need to plan and prepare if you really are ready to drop your opiates from home. Of course kratom is not perfect and has its drawbacks if not used responsibly, I am just giving my personal experience with kratom and how good it feels to not need subs anymore.
Sorry for the long post!

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Quitting Suboxone from Home 3 years 3 weeks ago #4893

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Welcome to the forum Cori177!!

Your experience will be great to share to many others out there as I have discovered already myself. I have only recently (3 months) gotten off a ridiculously cycle of pain meds due to the benefits of Kratom, and I am finding there are A LOT of others out there.

I found this forum probably the same way you did and I am sure there will be someone looking to get off suboxone and will come across your experience and see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I'm looking forward to hearing of your experience with Kratom/ vendors/ and strains and also any questions you might throw out there to others. I have and am learning so much and I hope for you the same.

So a very big welcome!!

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Quitting Suboxone from Home 3 years 3 weeks ago #4895

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Thank you Jason.
I've given my great reviews for Pharmacy Dropout, Kratom Underground, and others in a different thread. Congratulations on your opiate independence! There are many ways to finally quit something, because every person and their situation is different, especially with opiates. I had been through withdrawals so many times, I was terrified of going to a hospital for detox, and didn't have insurance anyway. Some people can tough it out and never look back, but I found my way, thanks to the kratom, was pretty easy, relatively painless. I'll type up a story of what I did, and kratom I took, so if anybody is curious, I can have some more detailed facts from my transition off subs. Thanks for support!
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Quitting Suboxone from Home 3 years 2 weeks ago #5084

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Glad you have been able to get off the Sub Cori!
I was on suboxone for 3 years. I have only been off of it for ~2.5 months but have definitely found Kratom very useful. I also did a very slow taper, all the way down to .5mg every other day. I still experienced withdrawal symptoms from that though but I also found Immodium very useful. I did not start using kratom until I had been off of sub for 1.5 weeks, just using immodium and robaxin. I was still achey and had very low energy so I decided to try Kratom (I had experience using it 4.5 tears ago but didnt get much out of it, mainly trying to alleviate opiate withdrawal)
3 grams of a Red variety was what I found most effective in the beginning.
Since then I have basically taken kratom everyday except for a few short breaks here and there. I now take between 7-12 grams a day (currently working to get that # a bit lower) usually Greens in the early part of the day and Reds at night, sometimes earlier.
I have read online that using kratom during suboxone withdrawal can just pro-long it, but that has been hard to tell for me. There is something called Post-Acute withdrawal that can occur with suboxone, that can last for months afterward.
how much do you normally use?

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Quitting Suboxone from Home 3 years 2 weeks ago #5097

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Hello!

I've read a lot about PAWS as well. I actually try not to do too much reading about suboxone stuff anymore because SO much of somebody's experience depends on so many factors, it can get overwhelming with conflicting info. I also did a slow long taper off the subs, then took my last super low last December (like .25, .5), and like you, then only took Imodium (a lot) for the next few days until my kratom came. By then I guess my system was low enough of the residual subs to feel the kratom.
I 'burn' around 8 - 10 grams a day (every day) total, in capsule form, split between morning and night, about 12 hours apart. I know I should skip days, I haven't had the willpower to try too hard though.
I also use reds for relaxing. If you're worrying about kratom prolonging any PAWS, I don't know. Kratom does affect receptors, but it's nothing like subs. it depends what your goals are. Do you want to take kratom regularly or are you just using it as a tool to help you get over subs and not take anything? If you've been off subs for over 5 months, I'd say you're doing great. Even if you're taking kratom currently 'just in case' of paws, at least with kratom you can now experiment by either cutting down kratom or stopping altogether to see how you feel. Since you can get kratom any time, if you do feel sick, you can adjust what you're doing. Daily kratom burning can result in withdrawals sometimes, so if you stop the kratom, it might not be PAWS from suboxone, probably a mild effect from stopping kratom. Either way what you decide to do, I think you having a controlled, limited kratom usage while you put subs behind you is a good bet. It's legal, a natural plant, and you're in control. You can carefully experiment with it to see how you feel after cutting down.
Sorry this is long with no real answers! I just experimented and listened to my body. I'd rather be keeping that part of my brain quiet with a small bit of kratom, then I can taper and stop that too if I choose to be totally 'stimulant free.'

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