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Skeptical of the Skeptics? 5 months 2 weeks ago #25205

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My homeopath writes often about many social health related issues.

I thought there might be some here interested in reading this article.

uniqueholisticsolutions.com/blog/skeptic...n-the-name-of-reason
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Skeptical of the Skeptics? 5 months 2 weeks ago #25214

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Good article. I think it mostly boils down to good practice and bad practice. Flue shots are practically homeopathy but here is the kicker,,, FDA approved.

I know some of it is BS though in which James randy clearly demonstrated by eating a whole bottle of sleeping pills in the beginning of his demonstration. Then read the warning on the back that said do not take more than one. Then at the end when he should have been rushed to the ER he showed they contained enough sleep aid that you would find in one pill distributed to every pill in micrograms. His conclusion was snake oil marketing and placebo effect.

Some of it makes perfect sense and another part of it is just taking advantage of people for profit.

To me if you believe it works and because of that mental state, it is working, then whats the problem? This is why the placebo effect is as baffling in the medical field as the particle that is both a wave and a particle depending if it is observed or not. It shouldn't behave that way but it does.,, I see no problem if it is working but bad apples willingly trying to rip people off is where the problem comes in and then competitors use the law like a sledge hammer.
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Skeptical of the Skeptics? 5 months 2 weeks ago #25226

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The real test of the placebo effect is "Does it work on children and animals?" Homeopathy and chiropractic definitely do so it is not a placebo effect at work.

I know some of it is BS though in which James randy clearly demonstrated by eating a whole bottle of sleeping pills in the beginning of his demonstration.


Actually taking a whole bottle of a homopathic remedy will do absolutely nothing because homeopathics have no chemical constituents and no chemical action. This is VERY hard for conventional medicine to understand. It is my view that homeopathy will never be understood using a chemical construct because that is not the way it works. Something else is going on and we will never really understand it until we identify what that is.

Obviously homeopathics are safe if consuming a whole bottle does absolutely nothing.

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Actually I have had some VERY nasty reactions to homeopathics by taking too much, too often. It is called "proving" the remedy.
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Understanding some of the monied interests in conventional medicine makes me skeptical of that too!
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Skeptical of the Skeptics? 5 months 1 week ago #25340

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roadieratonga wrote: Good article. I think it mostly boils down to good practice and bad practice. Flue shots are practically homeopathy but here is the kicker,,, FDA approved.

I know some of it is BS though in which James randy clearly demonstrated by eating a whole bottle of sleeping pills in the beginning of his demonstration. Then read the warning on the back that said do not take more than one. Then at the end when he should have been rushed to the ER he showed they contained enough sleep aid that you would find in one pill distributed to every pill in micrograms. His conclusion was snake oil marketing and placebo effect.


Interesting article about homeopathy "myths" including the technique of taking a whole bottle to prove there is nothing in there.

extraordinarymedicine.org/frequent-false...pathy-and-the-truth/

Personally I have had some near miraculous results with homeopathy. VERY impressed by the results!
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Skeptical of the Skeptics? 5 months 1 week ago #25379

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Great article Bomalley! This is exactly what I see with western medicine;

"There is a shadow side to this devotion in that modern medicine often looks and feels a lot like a religion, with its own taboos and heresies, such as homeopathy."

It is absolutely shocking to me how western medicine is so dismissive. To me, the way that homeopathy/naturopathy works is through viewing the body as a whole, not as a series of components. Western medicine is so categorized, divided and segmented that they've long since lost their view of what the body is. My analogy is a car analogy - you need gasoline, and in homeopathy/naturopathy, they are looking for the place you are supposed to put the gas in. Western medicine will soak your ride in a few gallons of it and then wonder why the heck it didn't work.

Fact based. Hmmmm. I have to say, I used to manage an estate in Beverly Hills and the dogs that belonged to my boss were my top responsibility. She had an old German Shepherd, 11, who had terrible dysplasia. He would struggle to get up to pee, and in the process of struggling he'd pee on himself, and then get that look on his face of what did I try to get up for anyway?! Poor guy. My boss told me to make an appointment with the vet for him to get some acupuncture. I was really dubious. I took him down and I had to stay in the room with him the whole time to make sure he didn't get off the table, so I guarantee no one slipped him a mickey. It was jaw dropping. It wasn't a minor improvement - it was a 180 turn around. He was running. I had a really hard time getting him in and out of the car (I had to have help) before the appointment, and after, he got himself in and out, and was running and playing. Not puppy running and playing, but a really nice amount of mobility I would never have guessed he could have had.

I've seen other fact based evidence of what non western medicine can do and I'm disgusted by how threatened the establishment is. And how ignorant! Pure ignorance.

Thanks for the link to the article Bomalley. Hope you are doing well!
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Skeptical of the Skeptics? 5 months 1 week ago #25381

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Kitsune:

How nice to see you participating in the forum again!

I think it is interesting that some of the arguments used to debunk alternative therapies can also be applied to more modern medicine. Placebo effect for example. Every time you get a treatment from your doc, the placebo effect could be at work...but this is never acknowledged. BUT every time a natural therapy is at work...then it has to be a placebo effect.

Vets all over the world are turning to more natural therapies even homeopathy...and it fit works on animals then it is not a placebo effect.

One of the biggest problems with research in homeopathy is the blind RCT (Randomized Clinical Trial) model. Two groups with the same symptoms are treated with a medicine or placebo and the results from the two groups are compared to see if the group taking the medicine did any better. This model is based on the western medical construct of treating symptoms NOT the person.

Homeopathy treats the totality of symptoms...so 50 people with a headache might be treated with 50 different remedies, each remedy matching each person's symptoms precisely...so using a RCT model will not prove anything in homeopathy.

I have seen homeopathy work miracles on myself and my children BUT the remedy has to be precise to fit the persons symptoms, and sometimes it takes a while to find it.

My homeopath mentioned that there is a lot of research being done now on Ultra High Dilutions .


AND Cuba is using homeopathics in its public health program...that is very interesting.


Anyway, nice to see you back Kitsune.
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