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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 2 weeks ago #29454

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Worried about the attack on kratom and our freedom as U.S. citizens, I went to the pain clinic to talk to my doctor. I have been taking kratom for really bad nerve damage for almost 2 years. Before that I was taking oxycodone which did barely nothing for my pain. It was almost 2 years ago since I've been to the pain clinic.

The last time was when I told my doctor I don't need oxycodone anymore and kratom is doing the job better and is much less risky. My doctor agreed and was very impressed and supportive because he he used to people begging for pain medication all the time and dealing with people addicted to legal prescription opiates. He said there is a reason why they have not spent the money to develop safer less addictive pain medications during the last few decades...they have been making billions off being legal drug dealers.
The only new pain medications they have come up with in decades is neurotin and lyrica which barely work and make it impossible for people like me to mentally function. Neurontin was also found to stop new nerve synapses from forming! Not something you want if you want a functional brain years later!

I just went back yesterday and told him that I might need some help if they make kratom unavailable to U.S. citizens even though I prefer kratom and don't want to be another opiate user statistic. He is a Vet and just told me "The government f-cked you! He knows its clearly all about money. He also said how the opiate epidemic was caused by pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies. and doctors over prescribing opiates because of how much money they were making. That is why there even is a problem and demand for more opiates like illegal synthetic fentanyl in the first place. The whole opiate epidemic was caused be the pharm companies, insurance companies, and doctors and now they are trying to cover up their responsibility by being tough on dangerous synthetic opiods...which they should... but it was the greedy system that started the opiate problems to being with. Their backlash/cover-up is so severe that they are also going after safer natural alternatives like kratom which are not opiods at all, and this is putting the public in harms way. This is how my doctor (and me) both see it.

Most people know this but it was interesting to hear a doctor blatantly telling me how things are in reality, and not trying to cover for the greedy system that has been pushing opiates on people for profit all these years. He said he was f-cked by the government being a Vet, and now the people like me are being f-cked!

Thanks to all who called their senators. We The People need to take back control of our country.
I love America. We need to make it great. (not great "again").

There needs to be separation from money and the government, just like there is separation from religion and the government. Easy to say, but not so easy to accomplish when money equals power.
We are now a country of sheep lead by wolves who care more about money and covering their asses than our freedom and well-being. Well, There is my rant.

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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 2 weeks ago #29467

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Can someone please enlighten me as to HOW a doctor makes money by prescribing opioids?

That does not make sense to me and the system I am used to here in Canada.
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29489

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I'm speculating here, but from my extensive TV and movie watching history, it seems to go like this: a pharmaceutical rep from a big drug company makes an appointment to meet with a doctor, then the rep makes their sales pitch...maybe gives the doc a gift and some free samples to hand out to patients or whatever....with a promise of cash payments or even big gifts like a cruise or a vacation, etc...upon an agreement between doc and rep to do business. Everyone ends up with money in their pocket and we end up with hives, frequent urination, tremors, dizziness while standing, and death.
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29491

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HOW a doctor makes money by prescribing opioids?


Beside gift incentives from Pharm representatives for prescribing their company's drug.

We have this- Pill mills are places where bad doctors hand out prescription drugs like candy. "Pill mill' is a term used primarily by local and state investigators to describe a doctor, clinic or pharmacy that is prescribing or dispensing powerful narcotics inappropriately or for non-medical reasons. These doctors accept cash incentives and bribes.

www.cbsnews.com/news/whats-a-pill-mill/
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29493

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There are legitimate reasons WHY a doctor could receive money from a BigPharma company, but being paid to prescribe a specific product is unethical. Professional standards and ethics require doctors to act in the best interest of the client NOT their own interest.
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29495

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They are legalized drug dealers. The doctors get kickbacks....and run pill mills. Theres one here where the doctor only gives out opiates. There is a huge waiting room and he sees the person for less than a minute and gives them a refill. The people making the most are the pharmaceutical companies, the biggest legal drug producers and dealers. But everyone is tied to it. My doctor told me one reason why they prescribe so much pain medication at hospitals is because it looks better for the insurance companies. They get less complaints when people are given high amounts of opiates at the emergency room. So the insurance companies also end up profiting more too.
When I was in college, the pharm company reps would take soon-to-be doctors to fancy dinners and stuff and talk about their medication.
Medicine this way makes money off sickness and dependence, not healing.
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29496

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There are legitimate reasons WHY a doctor could receive money from a BigPharma company, but being paid to prescribe a specific product is unethical. Professional standards and ethics require doctors to act in the best interest of the client NOT their own interest.


Too many people here(USA) just take whatever the doctors prescribes and not consider the why. Many doctors probably believe they are not unethical for the way they prescribe, but it is unethical. Too many are guilty of not acting in the patients best interest, they want that Hawaiian vacation sponsored by bigpharma

My husband was prescribed Crestor because that was the drug du jour from the pharm rep. not because that was the best medicine for him. My case I had to make to the doctor was why does he need Crestor which works to lower the bad cholesterol but also raise the good cholesterol my husband always has very high good cholesterol, Crestor was not needed, Crestor was new and expensive. I finally got the doctor to change the prescription barely admitting the was no need for Crestor. Crestor was the wrong medicine.

We use diet, some supplements and he only takes a basic statin 2 or 3 times a week and he has managed his cholesterol this way. Not by taking anything daily, or designer statin medications. His bad cholesterol is somewhat diet resistant or he would be off the meds completely.

I believe to this day that over use of statins are the cause of his bundle branch block heart beat.
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29497

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I remember when the cholesterol drugs were new. So was the internet. My then husband was prescribed Lipitor, then two other “or’s” to manage his cholesterol. That stuff almost killed him. No joke.

Low cholesterol is not MORE IMPORTANT than life itself.

I did web searches and even THEN, people were being incapacitated by taking a pill to meet an erroneous number on a test.

Sickening. Scary. Sad

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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 4 months 1 week ago #29501

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About 25 yrs ago my mother had a small stroke (no lasting effects) and was prescribed a blood pressure medication (she was in the US at the time).

She took it for a while and then stopped because of how it made her feel. She was warned that she might "stroke out" BUT her response was that at her age, even without it she could have a stroke!

She is now 97 years old and still has "borderline" high blood pressure and takes NO medications at all.

During a hosptialization for my dad I found out that he had been prescribed a medication for an "overactive bladder". This made the medication count up to about 6 different meds.

When questioned, the doc insisted this would help with his incontinence because he told the doc he had to go all the time and could not make it to the bathroom on time. BUT when I reminded the new doc that he had a bladder the size of a pea because it was full of stones, she went visibly red with embarassement and agreed to stop the medication. If I had not intervened or questioned this, he would have continued to take it FOR NO GOOD REASON.

If there is no nurse in the family to advocate for elders how do families manage?

Just in regards to the doctors and the influence of BigPHarma I think a lot of this influence occurs because of a lack of regulatory control. This is being examined more closely now in Canada after it was revealed that one of the members on the advisory council for developing the guidelines for opiate prescribing was receiving money from a company that made synthetic opiates.

Apparently they were all vetted and filled out conlfict of interest forms, BUT nobody looked at them...EMBARASSING!:blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:
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Went to pain clinic...Dr. told me the "system" f-cked me. 1 month 2 days ago #31758

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This is where you'll usually hear from your doctor "there's this new medication that may help you! it's showing promise! wink wink nudge nudge" sigh...

uh huh... sure. Whatever you say bud. All I hear is "if I can get you taking these pills, I get awesome stuff/money out of it! You, well you'd be better off with a time tested proven effective medication but I don't get anything out of that so too bad."

I've even seen the keychains and mugs and pens on their desks as they're suggesting these drugs >.< *so much facepalm*

I don't want companies only looking to make money in control of my health decisions. I don't want my doctors getting bribed to not give me the best possible treatment, and turn me into a cash pooping guinea pig.

Boo-urns!!
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