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Hi everyone New member help 1 year 6 months ago #9150

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Hello everyone my name is andrew and i am pleased to be a new member of your community. I have bad ocd (which a lot of people do) and mild add to where i cannot concentrate on important tasks such as school work and interaction with people. Being prescribed tons of crap from the doctors over the years seems to only make it worse or being more negative than positive. Being introduced to kratom has helped me tremendously and i feel more normal and natural to myself. I was wondering if someone could shed some light on a question i have. As i have read and done a lot of research on this forum before i joined i noticed a lot of people recommending pharmacy dropout as there go to for quality and price. I have only used herbal S-- so far and i was pleased with there samples but at the same time i do not have another vendor to compare it too. I am new to kratom and i noticed a lot of talk about pharmacy dropout that they have good quality and price. Besides PD what are you best next go to vendors?
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Andrew,

Welcome to the forum. Our prices are not high, they are relatively low compared to the industry as a whole. The reason why our prices might seem high to you, is because you may be buying from places that are using Paypal, Stripe, Square, and so forth. That is not legal, and they only have to pay a small percentage of their sales to the credit card processor. Virtually every single person who is starting out in this business, is doing this. The problem here however, is that those entities can freeze those funds, ban the buyer and seller, and it's a crime too.

Another factor is FDA compliant packaging, which is not cheap. We started out with Gold packaging that was nice, but we upgraded to packaging that was 3 times as thick, and is super-ultra heavy duty. I honestly can't see a single package breaking up in transit, ever. I could ship out packages of water in an envelope and I bet they wouldn't break up in transit.

Another factor is our credit card processor. I am going to copy and paste portions from another post I made on here in regard to a person trying to start up a business that vends Kratom:

As for processing credit cards, around 99% of Kratom vendors in the United States, have to go oversea and get qualified with an offshore credit card processor. They take no less than 10%, plus 0.80 per transaction, and another 10% as a six month rolling reserve. Honestly, the first number, is usually somewhere between 10 and 20%, so that is 20 to 30% already. There is also a monthly service fee that is several times more expensive, somewhere around 5 to 10 times more, and there are other hidden fees and international wire transfer fees which are VERY expensive, this raises the rate to around 30 to 40% of your sales. If you're using Shopify or another eCommerce website, that is another 1 - 2 %, and they have transaction fees too, and then there WILL BE a SLEW of chargebacks because the name of your business varies from day to day because it's a shared account, you're looking at around 40 to 50% of your income being lost. I've seen the list of names on the shared accounts, with names like "Dildo Crazy" China Bank LSLT" and so forth. There is zero control over this.

There is virtually no way around this, unless you started very, very early. The reason why this is so, is because of "Project Choke Point". This is a high risk industry. Frankly, there are a lot of people in this business who are into drugs, are ex-cons, and are rough around the edges in some other manner. It can range from something as benign as Marijuana, and range as high as contract killings, and illegal research chemical drug distribution and usage. I can't share the information on the contract killing, because I could get sued (even though he's most likely going to prison since there is already pending legal charges against this person (I do not know him BTW)), but I can tell you this...

The industry has had a lot of criminals in it, and you're going to want to make sure not to do business with them, if you want to keep the plant legal. A lot of people see this as a quick way to make money, and genuinely aren't interested in helping people, or being noble and righteous. Other people I've seen go in and out of business, are naive (I once was), and want to be too helpful, and thus it hurts them, but the bad ones ruin it for us all, every single one of you. I feel that is why Project Choke Point extends it's arms into this industry...because frankly, there are some bad characters out there and there is a history of these types of people who launder money. I believe this assessment is true!

If you didn't get a head start a long time ago, there is only one way to get that oversea merchant account, and it will be a massive headache from day one, and it will not stop being a headache. You have to make 20k per month or more to even get in an application. They'll put you on hold for months, and sometimes never tell you you're denied! Everyone is looking for a Kratom merchant account... ... ... ...

If you haven't gotten one, and are not getting 20k in gross sales, you're toast, unless you know some extremely high people in the industry who can put in a good word on your behalf with a bank. I don't know how that works though... ... The chances of this happening are pretty much zero though.


We are NOT using an oversea merchant account, and our upkeep for a domestic one, is very expensive. The way I'm running things, is legal, and there is no threat to the buyer or seller. It is domestic, and billed as PharmaD for privacy reasons in case someone opens your mail.

Another prime factor, is that we pay for the shipping, and the tracking too. It's free, so that comes out of the overall price of things.

An additional factor to consider, is based on science. We read from left to right and the first number of the price resonates with us the most. Science has proven, several times (replicated studies in Industrial Psychology in Harvard and many other places), that a product marked "14.99" will sell more than one marked "15.00". I don't like the manipulative thing, because frankly, it works, it's proven. I keep it simple, honest, and real.

Another factor to consider is how much I pay for the products, which is probably more than these other people are paying.

Another factor to consider is the lab testing.

Another factor to consider, is that when we receive a bad batch, it doesn't hit the market. It gets marked off as a huge loss and I feel that. This trade off means people don't have to every worry about receiving a bad batch, EVER.

Another factor to consider is that we donate a lot to the non-profits that are keeping our plant legal :)

Another factor is the quality of the good...you'll see what I'm talking about in time. You'll see...ha ha ha. If I was paid for every time someone tried to get my suppliers products, I would have a great deal of money.

I think it's also important to note, the level of customer service, and attention people receive with my company. First off, I work about 14 hours a day, seven days a week, so I get to know everyone, and there are a lot of people. When an issue arises, which is urgent, these people can contact me on a cell phone (for emergencies), and I take care of them, even when on vacation. I never fully take a break.

There are also legal fees, because we do everything legally, and I think there are tons of businesses in this industry that can't afford legal counsel, or just don't want to spend that kind of money on it.

Our business seems to cater to a lot of people on "Capitol Hill", I don't know what that is, but sure enough, those packages really do ship to Washington DC. I just looked up some information as I type this, just to make sure they're not lying, and sure enough, it's going there... My business has also catered to A LOT of people in law enforcement, the medical industry (including doctors, like dentists, MD's, surgeons, etc) and four attorneys. Two of them are on Capitol Hill. These smart people must be on to something... ...

Occasionally, but not too often, we start scanning every single order when a state is being threatened, and I draft letters and send them to every order that passes through from that point on, informing people of what is going on, and how they can fight it. Sometimes there is a list of e-mail addresses, and we try to network people with the American Kratom Association, who advocates FOR the CONSUMER. That takes up a ton of time (sometimes whole days) and a noteworthy amount of ink and paper and increased shipping weight which we bear the burden of. That raises prices a tad, not much, but a little.

We hurt our own sales, by not doctoring our photos. I have had dozens of e-mails (if not more than 100) asking me why our products aren't actually Red, Green, White and Yellow. Can you believe that? There are companies out there who actually doctor their photos and enrich colors! Even more shocking, is that people think their products should be those colors (they should all be Green except for Brown Kratom). We also don't doll up the names, and try to market with fancy made up names, or fancy packaging, or other marketing gimmicks or tactics which doesn't bode well with our hearts. The lack of overall sales, means we can't buy in quantities that we would prefer, which does hurt the overall price.

Another factor to consider is the quantities we keep on hand. I have never had a Kratom product that is more than 2 months old, not even close. This means constant sourcing, and sometimes seizures, the more you import however, the lower the prices. There are cargo containers sometimes, and that stuff can wholesale for less than HALF of what I get mine for. Isn't that crazy?

There is also the extracts, which we feel should not be sold at this time. I won't go into that here, because there are vendors in here who sell it, and I won't step on those toes. Some are friends in the industry and I just accept the fact that we have differing opinions on it, and I shouldn't judge them, so I don't. I do have an opinion however, and because I know certain things about it, we don't sell it. That stuff is a money maker extreme, and could supplement lost income in my opinion.

Frankly, to be honest, I think people do business with me because there is never a chance, they know they're always safe, and have little risk when dealing with me. I think people do business with me, because they want to support a business that mutually supports them. I think people do business with me, because overall, the cost, is less. I think people do business with PDO because they feel at home and comfortable with us, and know we'll take care of them, forever. This means they don't have to worry anymore. I think people respect us, and love us, and that is where you're getting the hype. I think they want to support a family who has got it together, and lives a clean life, a company devoted to following the laws and at the same time, changing lives. We're black and white, perfect or no-good. We're anal about the things we do. At PDO, a small family business, we're about people as much as we're about making money.
I own and operate www.pharmacy-dropout.com We have the United States leading supply of bulk and retail Thunder God Vine. We also have Kratom, and other exotic botanicals. All of our Products are sold with no intent on use, and are not sold for consumption.
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Hi everyone New member help 1 year 6 months ago #9160

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Thanks for your response, I do see now that your price is more around mmmspeciosa, but still cheaper. So i apologize about saying your prices were high. What are your top selling strains right now? I have yet to try a bali and that would be one of my choices. Do you have any type of sample packs available?
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Hi everyone New member help 1 year 6 months ago #9166

No apology necessary, the way I see it, is it's always an opportunity for me. I turn a negative into a positive when I can.

The White Horn is virtually sold out, and it was our top this month, which is uncharacteristic. I've been getting profoundly good reviews in private. The Indonesian Spiked Leaf and the Cambodian MD is also of superior quality. The two later are Red's and the first is a White. We are almost fully sold out of the Bali and Gr. Malaysian. There is still a little bit left though. We still have Green Horn though, but it sounds like you're looking for Bali.

There was a hold up on our last shipment, so it's still en route. We'll soon be fully stocked again.
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Hi everyone New member help 1 year 6 months ago #9175

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As consumers, we have to really be careful who we buy from. There's alot of shady vendors out there. PDO, as well as any of the other approved vendors, can be trusted.
(L) Revelation 22:2 And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. (L)
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Thanks for taking the time to answer some of my questions, I placed an order last night hoping I get to try the strains you mentioned! Looking forward to trying your product, thank you
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Thank you Jeff for all the details about your business. I agree that your products and prices are extremely fair, considering the quality. I will never stop buying from PDO. I may buy from different vendors to get some difference in strains for my rotation, but in the end, I will always come back to PDO. They weren't my first vendor I tried, but they were the first BEST vendor I tried, and will never stop coming back for their outstanding product. I've really been enjoying the product I just bought, they are excellent. Especially the Red Horn Malaysian, perfect for the evening, I love the smell.
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i will have to try the red horn next time
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Andrew,

Welcome to the forum. Our prices are not high, they are relatively low compared to the industry as a whole. The reason why our prices might seem high to you, is because you may be buying from places that are using Paypal, Stripe, Square, and so forth. That is not legal, and they only have to pay a small percentage of their sales to the credit card processor. Virtually every single person who is starting out in this business, is doing this. The problem here however, is that those entities can freeze those funds, ban the buyer and seller, and it's a crime too.

Another factor is FDA compliant packaging, which is not cheap. We started out with Gold packaging that was nice, but we upgraded to packaging that was 3 times as thick, and is super-ultra heavy duty. I honestly can't see a single package breaking up in transit, ever. I could ship out packages of water in an envelope and I bet they wouldn't break up in transit.

Another factor is our credit card processor. I am going to copy and paste portions from another post I made on here in regard to a person trying to start up a business that vends Kratom:
<em>
As for processing credit cards, around 99% of Kratom vendors in the United States, have to go oversea and get qualified with an offshore credit card processor. They take no less than 10%, plus 0.80 per transaction, and another 10% as a six month rolling reserve. Honestly, the first number, is usually somewhere between 10 and 20%, so that is 20 to 30% already. There is also a monthly service fee that is several times more expensive, somewhere around 5 to 10 times more, and there are other hidden fees and international wire transfer fees which are VERY expensive, this raises the rate to around 30 to 40% of your sales. If you're using Shopify or another eCommerce website, that is another 1 - 2 %, and they have transaction fees too, and then there <strong>WILL BE</strong> a SLEW of chargebacks because the name of your business varies from day to day because it's a shared account, you're looking at around 40 to 50% of your income being lost. I've seen the list of names on the shared accounts, with names like "Dildo Crazy" China Bank LSLT" and so forth. There is zero control over this.

There is virtually no way around this, unless you started very, very early. The reason why this is so, is because of "Project Choke Point". This is a high risk industry. Frankly, there are a lot of people in this business who are into drugs, are ex-cons, and are rough around the edges in some other manner. It can range from something as benign as Marijuana, and range as high as contract killings, and illegal research chemical drug distribution and usage. I can't share the information on the contract killing, because I could get sued (even though he's most likely going to prison since there is already pending legal charges against this person (I do not know him BTW)), but I can tell you this...

The industry has had a lot of criminals in it, and you're going to want to make sure not to do business with them, if you want to keep the plant legal. A lot of people see this as a quick way to make money, and genuinely aren't interested in helping people, or being noble and righteous. Other people I've seen go in and out of business, are naive (I once was), and want to be too helpful, and thus it hurts them, but the bad ones ruin it for us all, every single one of you. I feel that is why Project Choke Point extends it's arms into this industry...because frankly, there are some bad characters out there and there is a history of these types of people who launder money. I believe this assessment is true!

If you didn't get a head start a long time ago, there is only one way to get that oversea merchant account, and it will be a massive headache from day one, and it will not stop being a headache. You have to make 20k per month or more to even get in an application. They'll put you on hold for months, and sometimes never tell you you're denied! Everyone is looking for a Kratom merchant account... ... ... ...

If you haven't gotten one, and are not getting 20k in gross sales, you're toast, unless you know some extremely high people in the industry who can put in a good word on your behalf with a bank. I don't know how that works though... ... The chances of this happening are pretty much zero though.</em>

We are NOT using an oversea merchant account, and our upkeep for a domestic one, is very expensive. The way I'm running things, is legal, and there is no threat to the buyer or seller. It is domestic, and billed as PharmaD for privacy reasons in case someone opens your mail.

Another prime factor, is that we pay for the shipping, and the tracking too. It's free, so that comes out of the overall price of things.

An additional factor to consider, is based on science. We read from left to right and the first number of the price resonates with us the most. Science has proven, several times (replicated studies in Industrial Psychology in Harvard and many other places), that a product marked "14.99" will sell more than one marked "15.00". I don't like the manipulative thing, because frankly, it works, it's proven. I keep it simple, honest, and real.

Another factor to consider is how much I pay for the products, which is probably more than these other people are paying.

Another factor to consider is the lab testing.

Another factor to consider, is that when we receive a bad batch, it doesn't hit the market. It gets marked off as a huge loss and I feel that. This trade off means people don't have to every worry about receiving a bad batch, EVER.

Another factor to consider is that we donate a lot to the non-profits that are keeping our plant legal :)

Another factor is the quality of the good...you'll see what I'm talking about in time. You'll see...ha ha ha. If I was paid for every time someone tried to get my suppliers products, I would have a great deal of money.

I think it's also important to note, the level of customer service, and attention people receive with my company. First off, I work about 14 hours a day, seven days a week, so I get to know everyone, and there are a lot of people. When an issue arises, which is urgent, these people can contact me on a cell phone (for emergencies), and I take care of them, even when on vacation. I never fully take a break.

There are also legal fees, because we do everything legally, and I think there are tons of businesses in this industry that can't afford legal counsel, or just don't want to spend that kind of money on it.

Our business seems to cater to a lot of people on "Capitol Hill", I don't know what that is, but sure enough, those packages really do ship to Washington DC. I just looked up some information as I type this, just to make sure they're not lying, and sure enough, it's going there... My business has also catered to A LOT of people in law enforcement, the medical industry (including doctors, like dentists, MD's, surgeons, etc) and four attorneys. Two of them are on Capitol Hill. These smart people must be on to something... ...

Occasionally, but not too often, we start scanning every single order when a state is being threatened, and I draft letters and send them to every order that passes through from that point on, informing people of what is going on, and how they can fight it. Sometimes there is a list of e-mail addresses, and we try to network people with the American Kratom Association, who advocates FOR the <em>CONSUMER</em>. That takes up a ton of time (sometimes whole days) and a noteworthy amount of ink and paper and increased shipping weight which we bear the burden of. That raises prices a tad, not much, but a little.

We hurt our own sales, by not doctoring our photos. I have had dozens of e-mails (if not more than 100) asking me why our products aren't actually Red, Green, White and Yellow. Can you believe that? There are companies out there who actually doctor their photos and enrich colors! Even more shocking, is that people think their products should be those colors (they should all be Green except for Brown Kratom). We also don't doll up the names, and try to market with fancy made up names, or fancy packaging, or other marketing gimmicks or tactics which doesn't bode well with our hearts. The lack of overall sales, means we can't buy in quantities that we would prefer, which does hurt the overall price.

Another factor to consider is the quantities we keep on hand. I have never had a Kratom product that is more than 2 months old, not even close. This means constant sourcing, and sometimes seizures, the more you import however, the lower the prices. There are cargo containers sometimes, and that stuff can wholesale for less than HALF of what I get mine for. Isn't that crazy?

There is also the extracts, which we feel should not be sold at this time. I won't go into that here, because there are vendors in here who sell it, and I won't step on those toes. Some are friends in the industry and I just accept the fact that we have differing opinions on it, and I shouldn't judge them, so I don't. I do have an opinion however, and because I know certain things about it, we don't sell it. That stuff is a money maker extreme, and could supplement lost income in my opinion.

Frankly, to be honest, I think people do business with me because there is never a chance, they know they're always safe, and have little risk when dealing with me. I think people do business with me, because they want to support a business that mutually supports them. I think people do business with me, because overall, the cost, is less. I think people do business with PDO because they feel at home and comfortable with us, and know we'll take care of them, forever. This means they don't have to worry anymore. I think people respect us, and love us, and that is where you're getting the hype. I think they want to support a family who has got it together, and lives a clean life, a company devoted to following the laws and at the same time, changing lives. We're black and white, perfect or no-good. We're anal about the things we do. At PDO, a small family business, we're about people as much as we're about making money.

This is a great post and great info, so I wanted to quote it here in case anyone missed it.That said, how do we know when buying from a vendor, if they are up to these standards and doing everything right? I want to keep kratom legal since it has about saved my life.
A lot of this came to light for me recently looking at some of the very cheap vendors. For example, I found some that sell at about 11 cents a gram. I am wondering if these are ones I should avoid. I love Pharmacy Drop Out, PA Botanicals, Greenleaf Kratom and MMM Speciosa and I rotate vendors. Some of the cheaper ones I recently researched, seem too cheap.
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Hi everyone New member help 1 year 6 months ago #9197

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Hello guitarguy, i was wondering the same thing. I have been asking around about earthvein kratom for a extra vendor. He is approved on this forum and has a decent variety. Have you checked them out at all?
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