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Anxiety/Depression Update 5 months 8 hours ago #29819

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I took Bomalley's suggestion and also checked into holistic remedies, after placing an order with In Sense/Gold Leaf Botanicals. I'm really feeling confident about the big picture now. We'll (all) be going over to a Paleo-Keto type diet for starters, as the foundation for a probiotics regimen that will include L. Reuteri (powder) wh/ some studies have shown might even positively impact those on the autism spectrum. It's a reach, but the regimen will also support the more likely GABA/Glutamate imbalance in our son, especially given the amount of Glutamate and excitotoxins in all his processed foods. What's more, both the GABA neurotransmitter and the L. Reuteri are in a crucial interplay with Oxytocin, The Lub Drug. Most keenly, tho, and what all of these have in common, are anxiety and depression, chiefly, among a host of other maladies that issue from a poor gut biome and imbalanced inhibitory/excitatory neurotransmitters. And after today's latest Kratom order, we'll have 17 varieties to work with to support him whilst the diet and probiotics get going. (And We'll be ordering a larger amount of our favorites for my wife and myself from today's order...win-win.) Kava was briefly a considered as a GABA supplement, but it's best if the balance can be restored endogenously. Thanks Bomalley. And this stuff is fascinating. I can honestly say that this may be the first time we've been legitimately hopeful. :-bd>:D
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Anxiety/Depression Update 5 months 7 hours ago #29820

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I can’t take the credit for the holistic stuff. That was the house RN (retired), BoMalley.

But we ALL are hoping to see you get some good results.

Finally feeling hopeful and positive is a lovely miracle!

Your whole family will have longer lives of more quality. Who can ask for more?!

AWESOME REPORT!

Oh, and favorites change after repeated use over a couple weeks. Keep rotating. But. I like the bigger stashes of about half dozen favorites. Ha!

All good news! Thanks for the update!
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29822

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Face palm. BoMalley, we all know the nurses are the real doctors, and you're used to not getting the credit you deserve. Hope I've brought back some fond memories. Today the real work begins. My wife designated me the house cook last night, but I'm going back into the research first. I hope we can thrash this out a bit more. I promise to be a good patient.
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29824

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LaoWhooo wrote: I took Bomalley's suggestion and also checked into holistic remedies, after placing an order with In Sense/Gold Leaf Botanicals. I'm really feeling confident about the big picture now. We'll (all) be going over to a Paleo-Keto type diet for starters, as the foundation for a probiotics regimen that will include L. Reuteri (powder) wh/ some studies have shown might even positively impact those on the autism spectrum. It's a reach, but the regimen will also support the more likely GABA/Glutamate imbalance in our son, especially given the amount of Glutamate and excitotoxins in all his processed foods. What's more, both the GABA neurotransmitter and the L. Reuteri are in a crucial interplay with Oxytocin, The Lub Drug. Most keenly, tho, and what all of these have in common, are anxiety and depression, chiefly, among a host of other maladies that issue from a poor gut biome and imbalanced inhibitory/excitatory neurotransmitters. And after today's latest Kratom order, we'll have 17 varieties to work with to support him whilst the diet and probiotics get going. (And We'll be ordering a larger amount of our favorites for my wife and myself from today's order...win-win.) Kava was briefly a considered as a GABA supplement, but it's best if the balance can be restored endogenously. Thanks Bomalley. And this stuff is fascinating. I can honestly say that this may be the first time we've been legitimately hopeful. :-bd>:D


Glad to see you have made the connection between autism and bowel health.


oadd.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/4101...aygorodsky_et_al.pdf

I cannot find the video they are referring to on the "Nature of Things" website But maybe you could look for it. It is fascinating.

The natural therapist on my team is ALL OVER the excitotoxin theories and has encouraged me to clean up my diet. I make EVERYTHING now including my own laundry soap, toothpaste, and even ketchup simply because want to know what is in there (also I have the time as I am retired).

In Canda MSG is listed as a spice...so if the ingredients list on a prepared food says "spices" - it COULD contain and most likely does contain MSG.

ALSO in your journey do not forget manual therapies like cranio-sacral, osteopathy, acupuncture or even chiropractic. The nervous system is VERY sensitive. My most recent experience in the last 3 weeks have seen depression (weeping and feeling hopeless) come and go in a matter of a few hours depending on my skeletal and organ alignment.

You are embarking on an incredible journey.

Your son is VERY lucky to have you.
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29826

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And we are very lucky to have all of you.

I love acupuncture. I took it w/ heat cupping every week for 3 years in Korea. We're still looking for our "hands like hams" truck-driver-turned-massage-therapist that I had in Florida. He did more for me, and popped more, than the flexion-distraction bed ever did, after 4 failed back surgeries.

I've collected a lot of peer-reviewed studies on the brain-gut relationship and w/ a view to autism and or anxiety. We're beginning w/ the elimination of processed foods. He's always only eaten about 4 things, but he's willing to change w/ his mom who told him that SHE has to change. She's so clever.

BoMalley, I'm hesitant to begin the probiotic regimen until we reign in the diet a bit. Should I be, or should we begin that straightaway? Also adding Vitamins D, K and B6. Thanks
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29827

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It really depends on how you want to track this.

Trying multiple strategies at the same time confounds the picture.

If you want to be able to isolate those changes that make the most impact I would suggest doing one thing at a time. It will take much longer but you will have more confidence in what you are doing.

Keep good records too. That should include the date you made the change and the specifics about the change you made as well as notes about his behaviour and specific symptoms.

I would allow AT LEAST a good month for each change to take hold. If you notice improvement then continue it longer to be sure. Wait until he becomes stable from a specific change before implementing another one.

BTW one of the best ways to improve nutrition would be to start green juicing. Even 2 tbsp of green juice (kale) has a BOUNTY of nutrition (Vit K, calcium, and Vit C as well a a myriad of phytochemicals). Could you get him to agree to that?

So glad to hear that acupuncture worked for you. While I have found acupuncture helpful for balancing my energy fields and improving organ efficiency it has never done much for pain (also a back pain sufferer)*sigh*.

My new adventure in my 5 year journey is osteopathy which has filled me with hope. We have to keep searching until the specific answer comes to each of us!
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29828

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In a word, no. He is SO particular/narrow in his "likes," and we even have to do the frog in boiling water thing so that he doesn't register his own objections. But you've told me what we need to know, and what I'd guessed. The probiotics will store. His Whites haven't arrived (tomorrow), but I've capsuled some Bali Red, Green Malay and Green MD. Each is 1 gram packed. We're letting him learn the Kratom on his own, with help according to general guidelines re: expectations per color and variety. In this instance for example, if he feels equally anxious and depressed on a scale of 2 out of 4, I might suggest 2 Bali Red and 2 Green Malay, thinking the Red for Anxiety and Green for depression. But if his depression is 3/4, then maybe 1 Green Malay and 1 Green MD. Etc., etc. Eventually we'll have 17 varieties encapsulated for him to choose as he needs. These capsules are tedious to fill. Fortunately my wife says she'll swill like I do. We'll try to be just as conscientious re: his diet. Fast foods are gonna be tough.
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29829

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Even a small amount of green juice in apple juice could be frozen like a popsicle.....BUT you will have to figure out what works for you.

I agree...the capsules are a bit of work so I swill it too! 97 yr old mother gets the caps!

Keep us posted - and best of luck.
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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29830

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Frog in boiling water? Literally?

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Anxiety/Depression Update 4 months 4 weeks ago #29831

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LOL. Funny you should say that. I've spoken with my mother about it--she hates her Zoloft, and my cousin hates her Lexipro even more. Cousin takes care of mom in Chicago, and I went over everything w/ her yesterday, so she'll be ordering and making the caps for mom. They're gonna have a Kratom date.
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