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New member and new to kratom 2 months 4 weeks ago #30487

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Hello. I'm Mel and new here. I've been on methadone for 10 yrs and tbh I find myself taking more than I should bc I run out and then I'm sick. I tried kratom for the first time the other other day and was shocked that it helped the withdraw symptoms of methadone. I'm seriously thinking about trying to quit cold turkey and just take kratom for my pain and addiction. In currently taking red bali. How many 500 mg capsules am I supposed to take and how often ? Ive not quite got the dose right and right now its causing me diarrhea. Any ideas?
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New member and new to kratom 2 months 4 weeks ago #30489

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The diarrhea is not being caused by the Kratom, it is happening because you are taking less methadone. Kratom CAUSES constipation so it is probably helping to keep things a little less loose than if you were not taking it at all. As you increase your Kratom dose the diarrhea should resolve.

Diarrhea is VERY common when coming off opiates.

The starting dose for kratom is suggested at 2 grams, But you may need more as you are opiate tolerant. I will give you a little precis here but you can read more about this in the blog section of this forum...good info there for you.

You take a Kratom dose instead of methadone,then you wait until you feel withdrawal (this could be as little as an hour or much longer) and you take some more. You can keep repeating the Kratom adjusting the dose until withdrawal subsides. Eventually you will learn how much you need in order to come off the methadone.

This may or may ot be the dose required for pain management. IF your pain is not managed you can increase the dose until it is. This will be your sweet spot.

It is difficult to manage BOTH pain and withdrawal with KRatom at first ...sorry. You have to set some priorities. Concentrate on getting off the methadone first, then concentrate on the pain control.

This will take some time. It will take about a week for you to get off the methadone and manage withdrawal symptoms with Kratom. Do not be afraid of this as you will find that your withdrawal symptoms will be managed by Kratom intake and it will probably be easier than you imagine.

It will still be some work and things will still go up and down...don't get discouraged ... instead come here to the forums and we will support you.

If you take too much Kratom the worst thing that can happen is you will feel sick and vomit. I doubt that this will happen as you are opiate tolerant. It is not pleasant but not dangerous either...many of us have been there as we found our way through this.

Keep yourself hydrated as fluids are necessary for detox AND Kratom can be slightly dehyrating.
Rest A LOT and keep up your nutrition and activity as best you can.

Eventually as the methadone leaves your system the diarrhea should subside BUT since Kratom causes constipation do a search on the forum for "digestion issues" and read up on how to manage constipation.

You will need a lot of KRatom to get through this, so make sure you have enough or AT LEAST 2 weeks, you do not want to run out.

Red Bali is good and Red borneo, red vein thai, red maeng da, and red bentuagie might also be helpful.. Most vendors offer sample packs so get enough of at least 4 different reds to see you through the first 2 weeks.
BTW...powdered leaf Kratom is MUCH cheaper than capsules and you will need a good scale that measures in mgs to get this right.

Take AS MUCH KRATOM as you need as often as you need it to keep symptoms under control, and keep coming here for help...that is what we do here.
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New member and new to kratom 2 months 4 weeks ago #30490

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Welcome Mel.
Bo has given you excellent advice and I wish you well.
I going to refer you to the starters guide
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...-oldies#.W3jnZugzqUk
The Blog
www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-news-blog/57-...addiction-to-opiates
Forum post
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/the-kratom-use...start=0#.W3joM-gzqUl

Some things to consider
Head shop Kratom is usually low quality, find a good online vendor if you haven't already.



Look through the links, ask questions, members will be around to answer and help.
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New member and new to kratom 2 months 4 weeks ago #30493

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Okay let me rephrase some I had not taken a lower dose of the methadone yet when I started getting the diearaha. I could go 4 days without it anyway before I would get the shits. This kratom is the only thing new I have taken so yeah its the cause.. Dont get me wrong I like it and it helps pain but not sure why I'm shittin myself to death
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I am not sure either!

are you taking the Kratom AND Methadone now? Or just Kratom?

If you are only taking kratom it is likely the response of the mu receptors being empty. ..Unless there is some contamination in the Kratom (it is possible) it does not make any sense that it would cause diarrhea.

Are you taking any other drugs?

AND after saying all that like I am the big know it all (HA!)..it has to be said that you are the expert on your own body. I feel certain however, that it should calm down with time.

Try taking some psyllium (Metamucil) it will absorb some of the liquid in the bowel and might make things more solid.

I am glad things are working out OK (well except for the diarrhea issue) and that you are happy so far with your journey.
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New member and new to kratom 2 months 4 weeks ago #30497

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, Melcook304!

Sorry about the shitz. I’ve had kratom do that ON RARE OCCASIONS. I, too, liked the kratom causing it. Luckily, it was a sample sized bag. I had to throw it out. Got a different bag from same vendor out and NO SHITZ. I think that issue is so rare, it remains a mystery. There have been salmonella recalls on kratom fairly recently. But you would be way sicker than this.

Don’t forget to read the posts from BoMalley and Nan70 again after you get the current issue under control. Hopefully you have more kratom headed your way. I would hesitate to use what you got unless you take loperamide (also an opiate under threat by DEA due to abuse?!) to keep things balanced FOR TODAY.

You got the BEST starter kit ever here by these girls to get OFF the methadone when you have supplies and feel ready.

I just kicked nicotine and it was one of the most difficult drugs to get off of! I was sick and dizzy for 4 weeks (including the wean down on dose before quitting).

The people here are key to getting us ALL through the BIG CHALLENGES so we can ENJOY OUR LIVES, and now we are more enriched with friends along the road of life.

Glad you found this forum!
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Welcome, Melcook304!
Good luck - you are in the right place!
Best,
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Hello melcook304, I hope the best of luck in over coming your addiction!! I got clean easily off a long high dose pill addiction, by using kratom. Also I only encountered diarrhea the first couple days I was on strictly kratom and no pills and it was basically until the opiates where out (3days) and was able to use over the counter diarrhea medication. Any other time I got it was poor quality? Maybe try new vendor? If it don't go away. Good luck and believe me its the best move you will ever make!
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Good advice from Mase330.
I keep an electrolyte liquid on hand to add to drinking water.
Best to err on the side of over hydration during detox.
Proper hydration cannot be overemphasized when using Kratom too.
Best,
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Melcook304:

it has been over a week since we heard from you.

Just wondering how you are doing?
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