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Complete Newbie here, 1 week 3 days ago #33839

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Just finished up my first bag of Meang Da capsules. Did find it helped some with opiod withdrawal but not enough that I can quit the prescription meds that I take for back injuries years ago. I feel like maybe the capsules that I got were not pure because I opened remaining capsules yesterday and dumped powder out to where I could measure it. I measured out 6 grams and tossed and washed down. I felt nothing from this. I want something that can thwart opiod withdrawal and give me a state of euphoria at same time. Not a high just enough that will make me want to get up and do things instead of sitting on my butt and doing nothing because I dont feel like it and and am not motivated. Any suggestions from the board would be appreciated. Oh btw, I purchased this package from a 7-11 type store.

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Complete Newbie here, 1 week 3 days ago #33841

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, maachuu!

Where did you get those capsules? If you bought them at head shop or other store near you, chances are good that you got second rate quality (junk our vendors would throw out).

You’ll need good quality product and GREEN VEIN mixed with RED VEIN from a quality supplier will be your first order of business.

While weaning off opiates, we are finding it helpful for folks to replace every other dose of opiate with AS MUCH AS YOU NEED without getting sick.

How are you doing with the weaning thus far?

The gang will be along shortly to add some key points of interest for your journey.

If there is a label, or logo or some identifier on that stash of caps, please share. If it’s super vague, that’s low grade quality for undereducated sales in stores, sadly. We are all hoping for some regulations to help prevent that stuff from happening in the future.

Good thing you found us!
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I believe the package said "Royal Kratom" was the mfg of them. Thanks for the reply on my post. Just starting to attempt the wean process at this time.


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Yep yep low grade product. But no worries - this is good news because you’ll have better success using a quality online vendor. We have a list of cGMP certified (FDA Guidelines approved for safety, tho NOT approved by the FDA because they do not approve of this alternative plant as yet) vendors to recommend, or you can shop online by yourself. There is much better quality product out there.

And. Quitting opiates utilizing kratom does require a bit of learning as well as trial and error. You kinda gotta be able to PLAN and FOCUS ON THE GOAL with interest. That will pay off for you in a smooth detox journey (in some cases it’s like no difficulty at all, others still have discomfort, but nothing like a kratom-free detox).

You can’t just decide to quit opiates today, grab some capsules at the head shop and that’s all there is. It’s a bit complicated, depending on length of time on meds and dose.

Kratom is an awesome tool.

I’m sure Nan70 will be posting some links to get you started. Probably BoMalley, one of the forum retired nurses, will provide more tips for getting started. There’s loads of information and members posting here, and the SEARCH button within the website will help a lot if you try keywords like opiate detox, etc.

That stuff you have is like “generic” is with some meds. It’s not without alkaloids, but there are fewer helpful alkaloids in it. Probably not inexpensive, either. It’ll do until you get some from a trusted vendor.

If you’re sure you’re up for this. Trial and error is time consuming (testing new products to see what works for you is necessary. We can’t tell you, “this one works best” because it’s a plant. Nothing like measured doses of opiates).

Check out FIND A VENDOR / RATE A VENDOR for reviews of all vendors by forum members. Not only APPROVED ones. APPROVED VENDORS have discounts for members, so pay attention to the ads for discount codes!

Good luck!
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Complete Newbie here, 1 week 3 days ago #33849

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maachuu, It is good you found the ILK forum. Don't go back to the smoke shops. There are a lot of approved vendors on this Forum you can order from and receive your kratom from. I recommend trying several different kinds of Kratom. I have personally had a good experience ordering from Canopy Botanicals, PA Botanicals, Re-Leaf LLC. Best advice is to order a few different strains, colors, Reds will help with opiate with drawl and pain control. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Spread your orders around and try different vendors. Good Luck.....
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Complete Newbie here, 1 week 2 days ago #33851

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Welcome to ILK maachuu, Happy to have you here.:-h Yes most Kratom from Head Shops & Gas Stations will be of lower than average quality. They will not be Fresh like a Online Vendor would. The Capsules could have been sitting in the store for many Months & then they lose their Potency the longer they sit.

Also you might need to take a little more than 6 grams because you are weaning off of strong medicine it sounds like. Maybe try 7 then go to 8 if that don't work. I wouldn't go much higher than 8 grams though because the closer you get to 10 grams for a dose Kratom tends to give off side effects like Dizziness, Rebound Headache & Nausea.

I would suggest buying a Sample Pack from the Many Approved Vendors on here. After you get off your Meds & start taking getting used to Kratom then you will feel the mood lift from Kratom & that will give you the daily mood lift to want to get up & be Productive instead of sitting around. That's what great about Kratom. It gives you that Motivation & Uplifting Positive Feeling about Yourself that makes a Person feel like doing something Productive & seeing his or her Progress & looking back at it after he or she has finished & has seen what he or she has Accomplished & is very content & happy. HUH LOL!

What exactly do you want to get out of Kratom & what do you want to take Kratom for? This will determine what Strains will be of more use for you. I can recommend Certain Strains for you.
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Complete Newbie here, 1 week 2 days ago #33852

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Quick welcome and quick links,

finding a vendor and buying on line can be overwhelming but you need to make the plunge to get quality kratom. Even if the kratom is potent it takes time to find dosing and the strains you might need.

This forums approved list-
www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-vendors
Reviews from forum members-
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/rate-a-vendor
All things vendors-
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-vendors

Pricing, customer service, shipping, all factors into making a choice

My latest purchases-approved vendors
Insense/ Goldleaf botanicals
Pa Botanicals
Re-leaf llc
Canopy- bugdet friendly- type speciosa in search bar for kratom product

Forum favorites
Christopher's Organic Botancials- listed on the AkA GMP page
Pharmacy Dropout

Off the list but reviewed here-
Inland botancials- highly reviewed here
Herbal-RVA- budget freindly-type speciosa in search bar for product list
So-cal Herbal Remedies- budget friendly- type speciosa in search bar for product list
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Maachuu,
Buying powder from an online vendor is going to be the most economical.
Once you find your working dose to deal with withdrawals and you have a kratom routine you should be able to manage back pain using kratom.
I recommend stocking up on a few Red Strains and try a couple Green strains during the day.
I use Reds mostly in the evening but I switch to Green strains during the day I find them good for motivation I also dose lower for green strains I find it more stimulating.

(sounds like you have a scale)
Quick tip buy a scale it helps for accurate dosing and to help you taper down after your withdrawals are gone to a lower dose to manage chronic pain. More is not necessarily better when it comes to kratom.

Good luck and ask any questions you need
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Nan70,Laurie, thanks for your help in this. I have been reading as researching a lot and was wandering what the thoughts on white vein powder.

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I take Kratom to manage spinal arthritis, I have limited history of opiate pain meds I took the anti inflammatory/cortisone injection- unsuccessful route. Pain management caused me stress and anxiety through the years. Reds and greens help with these. The background is just for why maybe I am not a fan of whites. But many love whites-typically they give energy and focus, its the ultra focus that can go wrong with me if I take a white and have nothing to do I become agitated. This is my experience with white strains.
Kratom is subjective results vary. I also get headaches if I take more than 1.2 grams (also I am a low doser)

I do take whites maybe once a month when I need energy and have a social gathering and I need to keep up with events but only when I feel I will not need to manage anything more then moderate pain. Whites don't have the pain relieving duration that Reds and Greens provide me.

I still recommend you try white. When you have have kratom managed into your routine and its easier to find the right moments to experiment more.

You seem like you researched up a lot- white is a common strain to mix with a red.
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