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New member, question about resistance 3 months 3 weeks ago #34410

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Hello. So grateful to have this forum to learn from. I've taken kratom for a couple of weeks and have a question. Generally, I only took a quarter teaspoon of powder to feel its effects. I've been using Green Hulu Kapuas. Yesterday, I didn't feel anything at that level, so over the course of the day, I took a full teaspoon. Still didn't feel a thing. Could I have built up resistance that quickly? Any suggestions to get the best effects out of the kratom? Also, sometimes I get headaches, sometimes not. I try to have a lot of water. But sometimes I get a headache on a small amount of kratom, and not a larger amount. I have enjoyed this Green Hulu Kapuas strain when it didn't give me a headache, but I can't assume I won't get one. Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 3 weeks ago #34412

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, azaima!

Sounds like you're doing everything right. I can suggest you add actual electrolytes to your water to avoid the headaches. My mom gets dehydrated when drinking plain h20, for example. I can assure you that hydration is the issue with the headache.

Yes, your body is adapting, not resisting. You have started slow - perfect. But now your body got acclimated and you can try a good 1/2 TEAspoon per time and wait 40 minutes. Then add another 1/4 TEAspoon. Then the next day, start with 1/2 TEAspoon again, wait 40 minutes etc.

Getting the dose right is forever challenging, so please come back for more specifics AS YOU GO. It's a trial and error issue that continues to evolve as we do, as the plant does.

That's great that you found it helpful. Keep trying! There will be more folks posting with additional suggestions for you. I hope this helps in some way. Definitely get electrolytes into your water glass. I remember those headaches. Very discouraging in the beginning, but very important to be mindful of overall health!

You'll need to research how to manage bowels right away or your tubes may clog up! This is extremely important!
Stick around for more information you'll want to keep in mind on your kratom journey.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 2 weeks ago #34452

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If you are up for it, keep a log of it! Write down all of the important things, when you took it, what you ate prior, during, what you drank, if you were already feeling poorly? Etc. I had this same strain and the same issues, dizzy, etc. It was infuriating. I actually tried to sell the entire lot to a friend. I am glad he did not end up buying, because for some reason, I took a WAY lower dose, and I was not only fine, but felt GREAT. My only, limited, conclusion, was that it was a rather potent batch, and my normal dose at the time, was way top large for it. Since I have discovered what works, my dose on a whole, has gone down rather awesomely, and I am able to enjoy the order. Just a thought.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 2 weeks ago #34458

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Like another member mentioned, keeping a log is a great idea. You can see if things like time of day/food/water intake have any effect. I've been able to stay around 2-3 grams per day for the last year. For me, I think rotating strains helped tremendously. Hopefully, you can find what works for you. Good luck!
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azaima:

Over time you will definitley NOT get the "hit" that you might first have had when absorbing the alkaloids in Kratom. BUT that does not mean it is not working for you. It just means that the honeymoon period is over.

Accurate dosing is best practice so I would recommend a scale that measures in mg. 1/4 teaspoon is only about 500 -600 mg so it is no wonder you developed a tolerance to that dose rather quickly. (about the strength of a cup of coffee)

Do a search on this forum for the term "digestion issues". There is a really good thread there for help with managing bowel function as Kratom will slow things down considerably.

Also take note of your Kratom and food intak. Food in the stomach can slow down the absorption of the Kratom alkaloids, so we recommend an empty stomach.

Keep us posted.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 1 week ago #34779

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Thank you all for your suggestions. I'm now burning more kratom, drinking more water, and using it on an empty stomach. Headaches are gone, and it feels nice. I appreciate your guidance and patience as I cultivate my relationship with this wonderful plant.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 1 week ago #34784

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azaima wrote: Thank you all for your suggestions. I'm now burning more kratom, drinking more water, and using it on an empty stomach. Headaches are gone, and it feels nice. I appreciate your guidance and patience as I cultivate my relationship with this wonderful plant.


So nice to hear about your progress.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 1 week ago #34868

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I'm enjoying about a teaspoon of Green Hulu Kapuas. I'd like to take it daily, but am wondering whether it is wise to do that. I understand that rotating strains is the best way to keep your tolerance from building up. But I want to know whether it is advisable to take it daily. Depending on what I read, it's fine, or it's addictive, or it's dangerous. I decided cannabis was good for me and that my body wanted it, because my body has cannabinoid receptors built into it. I'm wondering whether that's true for kratom as well, as the body has opiod receptors in it. Is kratom good for us? Does the body want it? Do we need to worry about daily use? Thanks in advance.
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New member, question about resistance 3 months 6 days ago #34880

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azaima wrote: I'm enjoying about a teaspoon of Green Hulu Kapuas. I'd like to take it daily, but am wondering whether it is wise to do that. I understand that rotating strains is the best way to keep your tolerance from building up. But I want to know whether it is advisable to take it daily. Depending on what I read, it's fine, or it's addictive, or it's dangerous. I decided cannabis was good for me and that my body wanted it, because my body has cannabinoid receptors built into it. I'm wondering whether that's true for kratom as well, as the body has opiod receptors in it. Is kratom good for us? Does the body want it? Do we need to worry about daily use? Thanks in advance.


Responsible use of Kratom requires knowledge and understanding....here goes.

Receptors

As it is processed in the body some of the alkaloids in Kratom land on the opioid receptors in the same place that heroin, morphine, or oxycodone would land (BTW all opiates end up as the same chemical as your body processes it). Kratom however, is NOT an opiate and does not metabolize into the same chemicals as opiates...it just has an affinity for the opiate receptors, that is all.

Just because your body has opiate receptors does NOT mean that Kratom (or opiates) are good for you. It means that your body produces some kind of chemical that is similiar to opiates and THAT is why the receptors exist. These substances are called endorphins and the BEST and healthiest solution is if each of us could make enough of our own endorphins to keep us feeling well and healthy. Science has not got that totally figured out yet - EXCEPT that we know that exercise increases endorphins.

Because your body has opiate receptors it has a metabolic pathway to process the alkaloids in Kratom, so it is not treated as a foreign substance, making it much safer than most medications prescribed today.

The problem with taking chemicals instead of producing our own is twofold:
  1. the more you take the more you need (tolerance). Your body simply keeps on making more opiate receptors that want to be satisfied.
  2. your body is not stimulated to produce its own endorphins.

This is true for Kratom use as well.

So now you know. We all make a decision about this as we decide whether or not Kratom use has improved our lives or not.

If you take Kratom on a regular basis you will develop tolerance. BUT you can mange your use responsibly by accurate measuring and keeping the dose at a level that provides the effects you need.

There is no scientific evidence that rotating strains helps to minimize tolerance, however some people think it works for them to keep things fresh. I rotate strains organically ie I just pick whatever strain I think will meet my needs at that particular moment. I seldom take the same strain all day (I take several doses in a day).

When you start putting the use of Kratom above all other things in your life and your energies go to procuring it and using it despite the fact that it has negative consequences in your life, then THAT is addiction. Kratom has a very low addictive potential, I would say it is about the same as coffee.

As far as chemical dependency goes it is possible to become chemically dependent on Kratom. However, the same can be said for coffee, alcohol, nicotine, and even sugar. All of those substances have more severe withdrawal symptoms than Kratom. Again - responsible use. I have never experienced any withdrawal from Kratom even if I go for an entire day without it. I have more pain of course, but no withdrawal.

Once again it is all about responsible, knowledgeable use.

So each of us decides for ourselves how much and how often we use in order to improve our lives.
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New member, question about resistance 2 months 2 weeks ago #35467

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As a redhead, my skin has always been sensitive. I've dealt with various outbreaks over the year. Over the last month, there's been itching/spots on my back that won't go away. My dermatologist says I'm just sensitive, and it's an autoimmune response. The reason I'm bringing this up here is because I fear it may be kratom related. The reason I stopped taking opiates is because I broke out in a rash all over. Any ideas of how to manage this if it is kratom related? Thanks in advance.
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