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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 5 days ago #35391

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3 year daily user, tapered from of 30-35 grams per day, now one month at 20 gpd and I can’t get past forcing myself to stay here, despite the pain. Over a month ago I thought yikes I’m doing too much, I should cut down. So I did, I am. But I’m in pain today and need to be reminded that what I need is okay, it’s okay to be dependent on this. I mean is that right? I need a Lexapro like I need water, same with Gabapentin. I’ve been reading all of these “less is more” successes thinking what is wrong with me that I can’t get my body used to 20 grams, and so many other people do well with far less. With this taper, 4 weeks now, I should be past RLS withdrawal symptoms by now but I’m not - I’m white knuckling between doses. And the sciatic pain is bad. I’m ready to say screw it, do what I need, I only have one life on this planet.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 5 days ago #35393

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35 grams a day is 4 doses 8.75 grams. When looked at that way its not the highest doses I have read about.
Managing pain with kratom there are no rules its what brings relief. I am not against taking prescription pain medicine for pain managing either I feel we should seek what works for quality of life.

Tapering and lowering doses are tools to save money and the prevent tolerance issues and can be practiced in the kratom journey but not while your pain levels are increasing.

You can always seek other pain relieving herbs in between kratom doses to help lower dosing schedule. I do this but not when I am in a lot of pain.

Sciatic pain is tough to manage and if kratom is helping you are very lucky. Take your needed dose and feel better.

Thought this was interesting, I use three herbs on this list.To have anything that helps when it comes to nerve type pain is a blessing. This report shows RX failures.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC596...HyQX3bslhUuF4NSammgo
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 5 days ago #35394

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I don't know where the idea that a certain amount of Kratom per day is good or bad. This isn't a by the milligram standard medication.
Kratom is a wonderful natural leaf. Please try not to lay limits, requirements,expectations, rules, ect... on Kratom.

Every leaf from every Kratom plant is different and contains it's own unique alkaloid profile. So, every batch of dried Kratom is also unique with it's own combination of Alkaloids. Therfore, every time you take Kratom regardless of vendor or strain title it is unique and never exactly the same.

People track their Kratom dose by weighing it for many reasons. Saftey, record thier dose for QA/QC comparison information, track effective Kratom doses, keep a Kratom journal, and much more.

I might be in the minority but, I try to not beat myself up on how much Kratom I am taking. It has helped me a lot in Pain control and mood boost for overcoming depression and anxiety. I also take SSRI medication and prescription pain medication as needed.

Kratom is personal to each individual and his or her needs. Try not to define Kratom or dose used in the good or bad category. If it helps you then use the amount that you personally get results from.

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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 5 days ago #35395

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Hey skisouth,

If you will benefit from upping your dose, I say do it, no judgement or negative about using something that helps tremendously. My reason for trying to keep it low is strictly because I want to use less to feel more strength of the Kratom, even with my hefty tolerance I 99% of the time get relief in the ways I need, 3 tsp 3-5 x a day. I use as needed, and need differ from different folks.

Since Kratom is such a benign plant, the real worry is just getting sick from taking to much, probably tolerance in a close second ...

I say get the relief you need while keeping it to the lowest dose that gets you there
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 5 days ago #35399

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Thank you so much!
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 4 days ago #35455

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Hey you,

I agree with everyone else. If you need it, then by god use it. I am not religious, but I am not an idiot either. I know without a doubt plants were put here because we NEED them. It isn't our fault that corporations have taken over and try to literally snuff the life out of everything green, and everyone they can see and touch. If you need it, do it. You do what you need to do, and if it helps, great, if it doesn't, then you do what you need to do in order to MAKE it work. You will not now, nor ever, I would guess, find judgement here, amongst us. Consider us like your interwebz family of sorts. We will do what we can to help, without all the bs judgement. -hugs- keep your head up, and you go do what you need to do in order to feel better. You DESERVE to feel good, to be happy, and to go through your day without fighting pain all day. You DESERVE to feel better. So go do what works. We don't judge here, and wouldn't dream of it. We are all here for different reasons, different motivations, different journeys. But the one thing all of us have in common, that has brought us all together, is this wonderful plant. This tree that saves each and everyone of us in our own way. We are here for you, keep us updated, please, we care. -hugs- <3
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 3 days ago #35460

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Thanks, and hugs back, I’m so blessed to have found all of you. I suppose what happened is I went over to Reddit/quittingkratom and got spooked, lol. Those people I suppose have whatever else going on in their lives, feel guilty about multiple dosing a day. Even knowing the potential for abuse, nature of dependency and difficulty weaning, I love this plant. As far as dosing several times a day, I don’t see that as being any different than having to take other meds morning/noon/night. That’s just how it is. The days of being able to get up at 3 a.m., throw a sleeping bag in the trunk and taking a road trip, or getting up after a night of drinking and going on a 20 mile bike ride are over. Electronics, wall chargers, etc., the same. It’s just how it is.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 3 days ago #35463

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Skisouthtahoe, You will be fine. I try to give myself and everybody else the benefit of the doubt. Kratom has helped me be more positive towards myself and others. I find when I take Kratom at work I am freindly, kind, and not as selfish.

Kratom is awesome. ILK Forum is awesome.

Welcome Skisouthtahoe...(L) (L) (L)
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 3 days ago #35464

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I would suggest trying other Herbs with Kratom like Incarvillea & Akuamma. The 20:1 Extract Incarvillea Sinensis has been better for Pain Relief than Kratom for me. You could replace a dose or two with another Pain Relieving herb or take a Potentiator with Kratom like Turmeric with Black Pepper, Cayenne, Magnesium, Vitamin C, Cat's Claw etc. Just a few suggestions.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me or make a Post & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can usually within 24 hours if not sooner. I'm usually on really late at night Between Midnight & 5am.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 2 weeks 6 hours ago #35581

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I've also gotten scared away by the Reddit forums. After a while I realized that the people posting there are a pretty mixed bag. There are some great people who provide a lot of knowledge, but I'v also seen a few that are chasing the latest high.
This forum seems to be pretty much about people using Kratom for pain and also for depression. It is the attitude of using Kratom as medicine. I originally started it for pain, but I find it has really been helpful in dealing with depression and anxiety. I hope that I will eventually get off of my anti-depressant meds. I don't really think they do much anymore, but I don't feel I can just stop.
Using Kratom is making feel that that could be a good alternative to help me simplify my meds. I think I am not the only one who started taking meds at one time and just continued without really determining if that is what I still need.
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