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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36466

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when rotating strains to keep tolerance down is it effective to use multiple trains in one day or does it need to be a day by day rotation? The strains I have I like for each of their effects but I don't know that I would like to use one strain for a whole day. For instance my white Borneo make me rather relaxed (tired) and is good for night but i would not want to use it all day. I mix my strains through out the day depending on time and desired effect.

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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36467

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, connor!

Personally, I use what is needed and do not have a set rule for rotating that has been of any benefit to keeping tolerance down.

I rotate and mix like nobody’s business! But my total dose size stays at approx 2 teaspoons ON THE HIGH END and 1 teaspoon is currently helping A LOT. I just finished using stem n vein every evening for 2 weeks and 1 teaspoon of a combination is fine (half red, half green currently).

It’s important to not RAISE dose size without thinking. It’s portion sizes that start adding up fast and being less effective. So the more TOTAL per dose you use, the higher your tolerance will continue to go.

Settling for less comfortable days and keeping total DOSE SIZE down seems to be much more important for effective tolerance maintenance than rotating. In my experience only.

I’m sure other people will post with other ways they have used to keep tolerance down.
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36470

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Hello welcome to the forum-
I never use the same strain all day.
I have my collection of pain relieving greens, from trial and error, about five of them I rotate daily. I take a green dose in the morning and I switch to Red strain at night. I use a different green each day and different Red based on how I am feeling. My red collection is over 8 strains. I also have samples I try weekly to change it up.
Mixing strains seems to not work too well for me but I was lucky a few days ago I was extra tired and decided to add an energetic white to my green dose and it worked out well.
I use a scale and measure my doses. I tend to dial down my doses instead of increasing for example if a red is overly sedating I lower the dose to bring out more mood lifting properties or if I use a vendor known to have potent kratom.
I also add turmeric to my all my kratom. Turmeric is believed to help tolerance. I take turmeric anyway for anti inflammation, I feel it has helped me stay at the same dose or less for a year and a half.

I came across this article on Reddit which is not a study with Kratom but its is interesting about the use of turmeric- reduces opioid tolerance.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4352596/

Hi Laurie

I just finished using stem n vein every evening for 2 weeks and 1 teaspoon of a combination is fine (half red, half green currently).

You used 1 teaspoon of stem and vein and one teaspoon of Kratom when using the stem and vein or only stem and vein? Successful??
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36473

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Actually I used MUCH MORE stem n vein. 2 teaspoons about every 2 hours. I exchanged it for regular kratom. I was surprised how well I felt without kratom. Physically well, that is.

A couple of times I’ll add a teaspoon of green or red, but not as often as I suspected I might need.

It was NECESSARY as my depression (illness not mood) has been aggravated and I need kratom to be at its upmost level of effectiveness and increased dose sizes has never been helpful for my metabolism.

I’m still having problems with depression, but kratom is MUCH MORE ENJOYABLE.

Disclosure: since I’ve been miserable with depression symptoms, I may not have been able to discern feeling MORE chitty while using almost zero kratom in evenings (and only a couple of doses of regular kratom during the day). If that makes sense. So I wasn’t out dancing or socializing or working a normal shift, etc.
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36475

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did you come of the Chantix?

are you taking any other anti-depressant meds currently?

suffered from depression, anxiety, and insomnia since i was a kid.
so i empathetic with you and how devastating depression can be.
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36485

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hey connor welcome! I think your kratom dose/ changeup through the day can be based on individual needs. and that's ok. if I need to go go go ill take a decent dose in the am before work and same strain or similar half that about 5-6 hrs in to keep me going. and sometimes a relaxing one at night but not often

we all have different experences. and laurie you are not here to be a cheerleader. gimme a f.. oh I better stop lol. I know you are real and somewhat blunt and I truly mean that as a complement! you are here to grow and learn like the rest of us. we can all learn from each other. of course you are more skilled at this than us, but that's why you do what you do! what do you mean about a higher dose not helping your metabolism? if its a depressant to metabolism everyone around me will just have to roll me everywhere lol
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36489

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thanks all for the feedback.
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36491

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Hi michele373,

I meant what I said. A higher dose does not work for me. Simple as that. Adding to my dose has not been to my benefit, period. We are all unique with unique metabolism.

I did not say kratom CAUSES my depression. Kratom helps a lot. Sorry if something I wrote offended you or anyone. I still need help on my journey and shared what my experience is.

I’m definitely not cheerleading. LOL

Yes. Jayisk. I’m off the Chantix now (blown away you remembered that!). I was able to stay on it for 4 months! It really helped my depression.

It’s not possible to get it (legally) any longer. I’ve used up my yearly amount allowed. My dr tried to get it for my depression, but Chantix is not FDA approved for depression. And my dr is not comfortable writing a script for me to get it from online pharmacies.

So we tried bupropion. Unfortunately it aggravated my depression, and elevated BP too much to give it adequate time to maybe be helpful. I’m on a break now to shake that off.

Thanks for asking and I appreciate the support and suggestions on this forum very much.
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36495

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oh no laurie I don't think you could be offensive if you tried. just as a heads up all you have to do is tell your dr that smoking is too enticing for you and I bet you could get more if needed. I was on it for so long to keep away from smoking, and it sounds weird but I still like the smell of smoke cooking on the grill isn't enough!
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strain rotation and tolerance 3 months 2 weeks ago #36502

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Laurie wrote: Hi michele373,

I meant what I said. A higher dose does not work for me. Simple as that. Adding to my dose has not been to my benefit, period. We are all unique with unique metabolism.


I have a theory which I will offer here (yes I know nobody asked for it!)

Kratom contains a number of different alkaloids. Could it be that the alkaloids that help with mood are weaker than the alkaloids that help with pain?

When you take a large dose the stronger, pain alkaloids overpower the mood elevating alkaloids - BUT - in smaller doses the mood elevating alkaloids can shine and produce the effect you want at this time.

This is the only explanation for the "less is more" theory of Kratom use. Certainly less kratom does NOT help with pain management, (not for me anyway) BUT it might be a good approach to help to elevate/stabilize mood?

It would be nice if we had some "best practice" research to guide us ie how much, how often for what conditions.

BUT for now we have to experiment for ourselves. Thankfully, there is no risk in doing so, however, it does take longer and is more confusing for us all.
BEV

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