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Looking into Kratom 4 months 1 week ago #42064

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I have dealt with chronic pain for years. I have had CABG x 5, bilateral knee replacement, disc fusion in my neck followed by a head-on collision about a month post-op. Right now I take 4 10 mg oxycodone per day as well as 3 1 mg clonopin per day for anxiety. I recently lost a fantastic job as, or all things, a hospice chaplain. I was terminated for simply picking up a bottle of hydrocodone and reading what it was to a 90 year old caregiver. Even though I do get a bit of pain relief from what I take I am sick and tired of the stigma attached to opioid use. Each month when I get my scripts filled I simply give them to my wife and she keeps them locked up. My son told me about kratom. At first I thought I have found the holy grail. That was until I saw my nurse practitioner for pain, and she told me that the Doctor was kicking anyone out of the program who tested positive for kratom and opioids. I really don't know what to do. The last time I weened myself off of all opioids I suffered insomnia so bad I though about killing myself. I am hear to learn. I really feel like I am in-between a rock and a hard place. What I am currently doing helps a little, but right now Kratom does not seem like an option. Any help would be appreciated.
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Looking into Kratom 4 months 1 week ago #42065

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hi there

i read ur post and i see what u mean
i highly recommend u watch the movie a leaf of faith on netflix
lots of people completly gave up docters advice and all that
and gave all their focus and attention to kratom instead changed their life
i have been dealing intense pain also in the past but after taking kratom changed my life
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Looking into Kratom 4 months 1 week ago #42069

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Read up on the whole topic - we’ve discussed it all here.

Most people eventually are glad they switched. NOT ALL. There is a lot to read about the leaf to decide. With your meds tied to a leash - so to speak - that’s extremely serious and it’s good for you to treat that with respect.

I prefer the relief and freedom. But the leaf is under constant legal threat as well. Easier to stockpile ;-)

Your son is a good kid for having you seriously look at trading your lifestyle for higher quality life.

Just DO THE RESEARCH and we can get you there if and when you’re ready.
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Looking into Kratom 4 months 1 week ago #42070

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Very similar discussion. Read through the suggestions and links. Please ask any question you need.

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/new-to-kratom/...-turkey#.XUTta-hKiUk

You will have to decide if you want to lose you current way of treating pain. Unfortunately you are in the predicament where your pain doctor tests for kratom they will stop prescribing.
We have had forum members who used kratom to alternate between pain medicine because they were(cruelly) forced to taper, They did not have a situation where kratom use put them at risk for pain treatment. Most will switch completely to kratom. It is not a given to get good results from Kratom, from this forum I have heard of two who did not have too much success they were able to go back to their pain medicine.
As others weigh in most feel better off to be in control of their pain management and have better function and quality of life.
Kratom has a learning curve and I feel we warn people of this. I was lucky had my right dose and a good pain relieving strain from the start, if you read through this forum you can see all sides.

I will try to find some more posts that will better relate to your questions and post the links for you.

Best
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Looking into Kratom 4 months 1 week ago #42073

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hey old book man. im glad you found us and you are here to vent and talk. this is a very supportive uplifting forum. our 'approved vendors' are of great guaranteed reliable quality. and most are really reasonable.

I am not a nurse or dr but I have not told my primary about my regular leaf intake. I did disclose that ive been taking herbal supplements. his only question was do they work. that's it. I get detailed blood work at least twice a year and no questions ever. I think you would have to take large doses every 4 hrs up until being tested ( please anyone im not positive on this ..just from my own experiences ) my husband got off being on suboxone for years with kratom. and he got blood and urine tested. ( they want to make sure you aren't selling it )

anyways im rambling. if you don't want to take the leaf we understand. im not trying to push you one way or the other. please look into other alternative herbals. I use akuamma, incarviella sinesis, and either corydalis, skullcap, or wild lettuce for nighttime pain relief. there are 100 or so others for anxiety/ mood support. I take chuchuhuassi and shilajit for inflimation and overall immune and well being. coptis root is something I rotate in as well as black seed oil and turmeric ( but those repeat on me so its got to be daytime after a meal...

check out in senses other botanicals section and herb stomp. please feel free to vent and talk it out. we are here to help!
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Looking into Kratom 4 months 1 week ago #42077

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insensebotanicals.com/product-category/other-botanicals/

I briefly mentioned I was treating my pain with other botanicals to my GP the lack of interest told me a lot And the fact she was quick to drawl out her pen to prescribe cold remedies for my bad head cold, I didn't even ask.

Michele has the best ramblings.:-h

I also use a few kratom alternatives. You might try a few. If they can help you with pain relief you can stock pile your pain meds to have a enough to make switch over to kratom if you decide to quit your pain meds. Or if they force you on a taper. I think they do not interfere/interact with prescriptions someone correct me if I am wrong. I use akuamma, incarviella sinesis, corydalis(all lean sedating) chuchuhuassi- much less sedating.
I take ginger, turmeric and moringa for inflammation.I find Kratom to be an excellent anti inflammatory also. I been wanting to try Boswellia heard good things about it treating knee pain well.

Now I am rambling......
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Looking into Kratom 3 months 3 weeks ago #42480

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I was using oxycodone 10 mg four times per day for chronic pain.

I simply took Kratom instead of my usual oxy dose and that was it. I never looked back.

I did do a supervised taper of the oxycodone under doc's supervision before I switched to Kratom completely, but the transition was easy...In fact I was astonished how easy it was. That is not the case for everyone, BUT most people find it easier than they anticipate.

That was 2 1/2 years ago.

The main advantage for using kratom, instead of prescription opiates, is that YOU regain control. No more going to the doc every 2 months for prescription refills. In fact, once I got my last prescription, which I never did use, I did not go back to see my doctor for at least a full year.

BTW that unused prescription did come in handy when I had oral surgery this past year (twice) and the oral surgeon did NOT prescribe ANYTHING for pain.
BEV

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Looking into Kratom 3 months 3 weeks ago #42481

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Welcome BACK, theoldbookman and da/vinci22!

The hard part is deciding. The only way to know if this will work for you is to try it because NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES TO HELP OTHERS, it’s different for every individual and EVERY DAY is different, no matter how well you measure doses.

The leaf does not have THE EXACT SAME EFFECT EACH DAY. Some folks simply will not try it because of this.

We are happy to help with advice.

Wishing you well.
Laurie
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Looking into Kratom 3 months 3 weeks ago #42497

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Welcome to the Forum theoldbookman. I can Highly Recommend Incarvillea Sinensis 20:1 Extract for Pain as well as Akuamma Seeds.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me or make a Post & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can usually within 24 hours if not sooner. I'm usually on really late at night Between Midnight & 5am.
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Looking into Kratom 3 months 3 weeks ago #42509

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I'm with you, the IS is excellent for pain. :-bd
Last weekend after I cut the grass I felt like someone had beat on me. :S
Everything ached but I still wanted to do some work on the bathroom renovation.
So I took 1.2g of the 20:1 IS and within an hour I was ready to go. :-bd
The pain was dramatically reduced and I also added a gram of white ketapang for an energy boost. I spent about 3 hours cutting out the garden tub after that. :woohoo:

I'll likely do it again tomorrow because I have to cut the grass and I want to cut out the shower stall.
My Grandkids say I’m a cuckoo head. ;)
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