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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5836

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It has been seven weeks since I started taking Kratom.
Initially excited but apprehensive at the same time I took my first foray into what I hoped would be the path to a normal life that everyone had promised.

I started at the beginning of September by ordering from two different vendors. In total, including samples, I had 15 packets. Among all the different strains two were common from each vendor, Green Malay.
Vietnams both red and yellow. Maeng Da both Plantation and White. Borneo's both Red and Green, Sunda’s both White and Green. Red Bali, Borneo, Horned and Thai. And so the list goes on. 13 different strains in all – but I didn’t really recognize a difference between any of them!

Working from home is the perfect environment to do what I do best by way of recreational activities.
Being an Insomniac I’m used to taking naps during the day and that was the only thing that happened occasionally when I took Kratom.
Nothing unusual there though, with or without Kratom.
Ever since my first supply came through I have kept a spreadsheet on the the strain I took, at what time I took it, the amount I took and whatever effect I thought I felt.

I’ve been trying to ‘will’ it to work. I kept asking “Is it working? Do I feel anything?”
But nothing!
Over the past few months I’ve read everything that has ever been written about Kratom. Almost everything was positive, a fact which encouraged me no end.
I knew not to expect anything spectacular or even equivalent to what I’d been doing; everything is apparently measured in it’s ‘subtlety’ but it is so subtle that I don’t even feel it!

Two days ago I decided it was time for serious action by ceasing all prescription medications at 3pm.
The next day at 7am I started taking Kratom.
Between 7am and 4pm I took a total of ten ‘burns’. Eight of them were 1 teaspoon, one was a half teaspoon and one dose was one and a half teaspoons.
With the exception of a Yellow Vietnam and Red Bali, all doses were Green Malay using both vendors strains. I took each dose between 30, 60 and 90 minutes apart.

At 4pm I‘d had enough.
My legs were killing me! I had to take my prescription meds to hold it together!
One look at my face revealed my WDs. I could hardly walk. My nose was running. I ached badly.
I had gone through WDs 35 years ago when my body was stronger. But now is it too late?
Can my body take such extreme action and pain?

Why is it everyone says this is virtually a ‘miracle cure’ for people like me?
What could I possibly be doing wrong? Nothing!
Am I beyond the help that Kratom gives others?

Please let me hear what others experiences have been, although to date I think I’ve read just about everything anyone has had to say. I’ve read how taking Methadone or Suboxone is only “substituting one drug for another” but I’m wondering if this may be the way for me to go if Kratom is not working?
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5840

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Hey BJ!

I think I've got some solid advice for you moving forward. You must first understand the process of Kratom and how it works with your body to WEAN you off of opiates, it's not meant to help you stop them cold turkey.

What this means, is that it's not too late for you, but you must take a more educated approach this time around. The way a lot of people have used Kratom to wean off opiates is a very slow process. It could take a week, a month, or even multiple months, it just depends how much you'd like to push yourself and how you feel along the process. Start by taking a smaller dose of your pain medication, and taking a bit of Kratom. Maybe even do that same amount for multiple days if necessary, but then slowly change your ratio to more Kratom and less opiates, eventually becoming opiate free.

How it works is, the Kratom hits the same opiate receptors in your brain, so it satisfies them in a similiar way that opiates do. This allows you to take less of the synthetic opiates over time because you're replacing them with a natural plant.

If you're willing to give it another try and take a more patient approach, I am confident Kratom will work for you :-bd I wish you the best of luck and let us know what happens! I know I won't be the only one to comment on this.

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5841

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Thank you Michael,
If only it were that simple!
That's an approach I've been trying for years and the reason I thought Kratom would be the catalyst.
Over the past two months I did try to taper the amount with frequent doses of Kratom but to no avail.
I just cannot seem to get a balance. It just doesn't seem to do anything for me.
Perhaps I'll try again in the future.
One thing is for sure I have to STOP. It's just a matter of finding a successful method.
BJ

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5842

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In my experience the vendor(s) made a huge difference. They all very on strength. You said you are using two right now so maybe not the case. Another thing is your dose may be low for you and not breaking through so well, since you are on pain meds your tolerance may be higher. When all is said and done you have to do whats right for you and to be totally honest, kratom is not for everyone. I wish you luck moving forward in what ever you choose. There is no guarantee that kratom works for all.

No one can make that claim for you. There may be ways to change how it effects you. You are well read on the subject. I just hate to see people suffer in pain. Again best of luck to you!
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5844

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Hi BJ,
I was taking hydrocodone, then tramadol for 8 months following a severe injury. I know everyone is different, but I took red vein thai enhanced with lotus. My vendor is moodandmind.com. I know I have or had a large tolerance for opiates, so I took about 5 grams to start. I had run out of my tramadol and was really going through withdrawal, but when I took the dose, 20 minutes later, my pain had lifted. Vendors really do matter. There is another one I order from which is a lot cheaper in price and I basically have to take twice as much. If you read up on kratom, most will recommended red vein for pain. Good luck! I take the powder mixed with orange juice btw. It works really well.
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5847

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Hi Jennifer,
I went to that vendor's website but failed to see a 'Red Vein Thai enhanced with Lotus'. Unless you mean you bought Lotus separately and added it to the Red Vein?
Both vendors I have used came highly recommended by various people on various sites. I guess the majority of vendors are highly recommended so it is difficult to know which vendor or strain will work for me unless someone, like you, has been through similar.

Edit: And Yes I had intended using a Red strain later that night but never made it that far. I didn't want to use it during the day in case I crashed. I know that people use it for pain but is that physical pain, psychological pain or both? Will it help with cravings or the unbearable leg cramps?
The WDs seem to be the deal breaker for me, as they are with most, I suppose.
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5852

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Hi BJ,
Yes for me, after about 20 minutes my legs were not in pain. I wake up with bad leg pain and once I take it, it really makes it go away. I had a second surgery in August of this year and got probably 3 weeks supply of Hydrocodone. I noticed that the Kratom didn't really work the way I like it to during this time. I was trying to do say a morning dose of Hydrocodone, then afternoon with Kratom. Mood and Mind really is so good compared to some sites. It's only a few dollars more per ounce and doesn't give you much of a deal for buying more, but it works. I think you really need to concentrate exclusively on the reds or red mixes. If you have a high tolerance, you are right, the first weeks or so are very subtle. You might need 5g doses which is about 1 3/4 teaspoons. For me, Kratom is a life saver because it helps with the physical and mental issues you get with chronic pain. It really does help with mood. I was shocked when it actually worked.

Here is the type I found most helpful with pain www.moodandmind.com/Thai-Enhanced-Powder/

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5853

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Jennifer,
Thank you for the link. I will order some of that. What type do you use during the day?
The pain associated with my medical condition is long gone and the leg pain I mentioned is that of WDs...the INTENSE restless legs kind of thing. So bad I want to cut my legs off!
Michael (below) had suggested tapering off my meds but that is something I find impossible to do. I guess if I continue to take my full amount of meds then the Kratom is unlikely to work for me?
I'll try again taking both meds and Kratom and try to change the ratio until it is more Kratom than meds. After all this time I thought I would have felt at least SOMETHING from the Kratom but I dont!

Hopefully your vendor's strain will help me.

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5854

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Well, as far as from my experience, I just kind of tapered my dose of hydrocodone, then completely substituted Kratom for it. When the pain meds are out of your system, you will notice the Kratom's effects more. But everyone is different. As far as what I take, I just rotate different strains to avoid developing a high tolerance. Depending on if you have difficulty with motivation or not, I take Indo White Vein to wake me up and get me moving. I will take a teaspoon at say 7:30/8, then another at 10. I noticed it builds up in your system throughout the day. So by say 4/5 pm I will be feeling pretty good. I also like Bali and the standard Maeng Da they have (not the more expensive one). They have a red thai on there that's the recommended strain for W/D. I honestly think you might have ordered the wrong strains. I don't like Borneo at all. Yellow strain was useless. Yes I believe at this point, the leg pain I have in the morning is based on some minor W/D between doses. I take my last one at 8pm, so that's probably why.

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 11 months ago #5855

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I noticed you were taking Green Malay. I didn't feel a thing from that. It was completely ineffective. So I think there' lots of hope for you :-bd

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