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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 9 months ago #5933

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BJ I'm so sorry about your restless leg it's the worst. Has anyone tried M&M's Dark Sumatra? It 's devine and great for pain.
BJ I hope things get better.
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 9 months ago #5939

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How's it going BJ? Been thinking about you. My leg pain today is AWFUL!

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 9 months ago #5941

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Hi Jennifer,
Sorry to hear of your leg problems.
With me, it is not going as well as I had expected in that I have given up on Kratom for a while with the intention of returning to it soon.
Over the past few days I have been researching the different vendors and strains after one person who responded to my plea had mentioned that anything 'Green' just didn't work for them. ( Just scrolled down to get their name and it was YOU!) That statement was very encouraging to me and started me off on further research.
I was surprised that vendors can sell this anywhere from $5 an ounce right up to $1000 an ounce!!
I think some of the more expensive stuff was 'enhanced'.
There is another site 'reddit' where they discuss prices and quality but the recommendations are so varied, diverse and subjective that it is almost pointless to say what works for one will work for another (that much I've learned thus far). Recommendations may be out of date after a single day with new shipments, etc coming in.
No matter the recommendation or viewpoint given, there is always someone who holds a completely opposite opinion.
I've decided to try the 'enhanced' product going forward as it is looking like none of the 13 strains I've tried have done anything for me. There were one or two strains in which I thought I detected a glimmer of hope and subsequently purchased them in bulk. Now they just sit there awaiting the day when, and if, my brain decides to recognize their effects.
Perhaps I have to order many different strains from many different vendors but that could be rather expensive and time consuming. It seems to be my only option at this point.
I'm looking forward to the day when I also can become 'Kratom Enlightened' or a 'FFKE' - 'Fully Fledged Kratom Evangelist' !! lol :P
Some people have suggested to me that 'cold turkey' is not the way to go and to try a 'slow taper'. The CT didn't go so well and I don't think I can handle a slow taper if there is a bag or a pill bottle in front of me continually calling my name. As someone else mentioned (Oops again that was YOU!) perhaps a combination of the two may work until Kratom has replaced everything else in my system.
I'll keep you apprised of my situation as I give Kratom another go. Thank you for staying in touch! It means a lot!
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 9 months ago #5949

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Hey BJ,
No problem. I know what you mean about having the pills available and how that changes things. I'm curious as to what other forum members think of the enhanced products?? I never tried because it is too expensive, but I have heard to be careful with dosing because a little goes a long way. The first time I took Kratom in a larger dose, I threw up, then slept for 4 hours lol. And that was with a fairly high opiate tolerance. Yes lol that was me, green strains or green veined are known to be middle of the road in terms of effects. Hang in there!

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 8 months ago #6228

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Hello BJ, just came across your post and wondered how things were going with your struggle.
I'm pretty new to this herb myself so in no way am I an expert.
But wondered if you'd tried using a potentiator with your kratom, I've seen several suggestions that grapefruit juice, turmeric powder and black pepper enhance the effects of Kratom.....there are probably others too. Also, you may want to try the enhanced products.
Just a thought, good luck with your quest.
Brian
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 8 months ago #6231

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Hi Brian, thank you for your concern and input. As per Jennifer's suggestion I ordered from her vendor some 'enhanced' product in a 'Grab Bag' (Samples). Using a couple of these new strains I attempted once more a few days ago to give things another try.
Unfortunately I didn't last long on this attempt either and returned to my opiates. I have found that if anything, Kratom has the ability to make me sleep. White, Red or Green, if I sit without anything to do then within minutes I'm off to sleep.I certainly have not experienced any of the 'euphoria' or uplifting mood so many others mention.
The potentiators I have not tried. I am prescribed a further medication which is carefully titrated in response to blood tests. Grapefruit juice is one product it is advisable for me to avoid since it has an adverse effect on that medication.
I also have an additional problem in that because my opiate prescription has a habit of not lasting it's full period, I have had to turn to a street drug to compliment the pills. I now find that drug to increasingly take over from the prescription pills.
I will try again with Kratom but I just find the WDs to difficult to take.
BJ

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 8 months ago #6233

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BJ wrote: /SNIP/
I also have an additional problem in that because my opiate prescription has a habit of not lasting it's full period, I have had to turn to a street drug to compliment the pills. I now find that drug to increasingly take over from the prescription pills.
I will try again with Kratom but I just find the WDs to difficult to take.
BJ


Hi BJ,

I've been keeping up with your journey to get off opiates with Kratom. Despite not having much success as of yet, I would encourage you to keep experimenting with different strains, amounts and vendors. Speaking from experience, because of my high tolerance to opiates I have to use large doses of Kratom to feel any effect. I'm thinking you may need to do the same after reading your comment I quoted above. I generally need to use 10 - 15 grams per dose.

Let me add a few more things: It is entirely possible that Kratom may not be right for you. There really are no guarantees that it will work for you...for reasons unknown it seems to affect each of us differently. The other thing I'd like to mention: please be careful when using "that street drug" to compliment the pills. The possible variations in strength alone can be dangerous, but just as worrisome is the fact that it will render the pills so ineffective that they will barely stave off withdrawal down the road.

I wish you luck on your quest to leave the opiates behind. Please keep us up to date.
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 8 months ago #6234

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Hi BJ,
I'm sorry you're still struggling. I believe you might have a very high tolerance to opiates, such that the opiate-like effects from Kratom would be barely noticeable. I can't remember if I mentioned that in transitioning from opiates to Kratom, it took some time to notice the effects of Kratom itself. I think I was taking maybe 40-80mg of Hydrocodone daily. What I did notice was that it eased the discontinuation effects. Idk if you should start with extracts instead because I don't want you to chance it with h not knowing exactly how potent it is. Luckily, I never tried it, but so many people die from overdose where I live. Is there a way you can slowly taper your dose of opiates and get to a point where you're taking them as prescribed? I was really hoping this would work for you because although Kratom frees you from panicking about refills etc, it does carry it's own addictive properties. I am myself pretty dependent on it because of this leg pain I get, but it is nice to be able to order it yourself rather than relying on your doctor. Is this a secret you're keeping? Because it does help to talk it through with a friend who isn't going to judge you. None of this is your fault either. That is something that helped me.
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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 8 months ago #6235

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We almost said the same thing at the same time. I hate to see people struggling and I'm glad you chimed in Chuck because although I abused my opiate prescription, I never got my tolerance up to really high amounts. I take probably 15 grams per day of Kratom spread out into 1 teaspoon doses. I do get the euphoria when I slow it down for a day then take a larger dose, but I definitely have developed a tolerance.

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H-E-L-P !! 2 years 7 months ago #6759

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Hey, haven't heard anything in a while. Just checking in. I used kratom to get off of suboxone but had to use both together for a bit to get my tolerance down. I think comparing hydro to suboxone is like apples to oranges but I have read some people supplement one dose a day with kratom and about 6hrs later use the hydro? I do not know how solid this advice is or safe as I am not a medical professional and if it were up to most they either want you on a sky high dose of opiate pain meds or nothing. I have had both in my lifetime.

I was switched to morphine 240mg and that was my last straw. It was painful but I guess my point is you have to be ready and have the time available to taper as most of us know it is painful with or without the kratom. I do hope you are doing well and just do your best. There are a lot of great vendors around, in my worst pain I order from someone very popular on this site. A little of it goes a long way. The red bali and red borneo are a couple of my favorites for pain management and it is what I used when switching.

Unfortunately with customs holding and red listing a lot of kratom suppliers it is good to find good vendors. There are many here and much more researched than anything on 'reddit. Some may have good reviews but the price is a lot of what draws people to certain vendors. I would check out the vendors on this site and use that as a guideline, you can always find reviews on them here or on other sites. Again, the best of luck to you! Jennifer has provided some great support for you and even better advice! Greens only perk up my moods (maylay or borneo) otherwise they were always a waste of time. Whites I could not even touch during a detox process or for that matter months after as they gave me anxiety!
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