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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6709

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I've been taking Lexapro and a small (50 mg)dose of Seroquel for about 6 months, mostly for anxiety and sleep. I want to quit them because I don't think they are helping, but now of course when I try to cut back on them I can't sleep. I have a dread of being awake all night, mainly because of the agony I went through the two years prior. I forgot to say that I now take dioxipin at night which actually has helped me overcome my insomnia, which was so bad I went for stretches when I slept only every other night. It was hell; I was suicidal.

Anyway, does anyone have thoughts about whether I could cut back on he Seroquel and Lexapro using Kratom? I have so much fear around it, but I really want to get off those drugs. I'd like to get off the Dioxepin too, but at least it's helping something. I hate to be taking drugs just to avoid the withdrawal.

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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6710

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Laura: I've heard of people who have taken themselves of Lexapro and I believe Seroquel, too. But, to be sure, I'd go to the Facebook group, Kratom (New and Current Users), and ask there. Become a member. It's one of the biggest and best-run FB kratom groups.

Seroquel is a bad one for long-term use side-effects. I've done a little research on that.

I hope you find the answer you're looking for. You're making a wise move, I believe.
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About 6 years ago I had a Seizure when my Doctor mixed Seroquel with Effexor. I hit a cement floor with my head & busted it wide open at work. They had to call an Ambulance but it wasn't Serious. I only got about 6 Stitches. But if I would have fell another way & hit my head I could have died. I was lucky. I would be Leary of mixing Seroquel with any other Anti-Depressant.

I would talk to your Regular General Practitioner about these Anti-Depressants. The Seroquel is what is making you be able to Sleep at night. The Lexapro is strictly for Depression & does not cause any Drowsiness. I don't know much about Doxepin. I just know it is for Depression, Insomnia & Low Energy Levels. I would think that you could slowly cut back on the Lexapro but keep taking the Seroquel at night for Sleep.

Again I would go to your GP & see what the Doc says to do. But Remember Doctors don't know Everything. Sometimes you have to Look Up Info on the Internet about Medicine & Side Effects from Other People's Experiences with the Medicines that Doctors don't know about. People who actually take the Medicine know more about the Effects of the Medicine than the Doctor does.

I know all about Anti-Depressants because I went through about 8 Years when I tried about a dozen of them before Prozac finally started Helping Me. I have been taking Prozac for about 5 Years now. I took 2 Different Anti-Depressants Abilify & Zyprexa at two different times that both put me in the Hospital for 3 days because of the Side Effects. These 2 Anti-Depressants gave me worse Withdrawals than when I was getting of off any Opiates & Benzos. So I would weigh the Side Effects Vs. The Positive Effects when Taking any New Medicine. Anyway I talk too much sometimes.

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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6712

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kemppaulh@yahoo.com wrote: Laura: I've heard of people who have taken themselves of Lexapro and I believe Seroquel, too. But, to be sure, I'd go to the Facebook group, Kratom (New and Current Users), and ask there. Become a member. It's one of the biggest and best-run FB kratom groups.

Seroquel is a bad one for long-term use side-effects. I've done a little research on that.

I hope you find the answer you're looking for. You're making a wise move, I believe.


Yes, you're right about the Long Term Side Effects of Seroquel. If you're on it a long time & suddenly get off then it causes Bad Withdrawals. So you have to Slowly Taper Yourself Off.

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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6722

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I've been on Lexapro for depression, on and off, for the last six years. With the Kratom, I was able to stop the Lexapro during the spring and summer, totally. Then with the dark days of November, I started having symptoms again, and have to take a small maintenance dose. What the Kratom helps best with is the motivational aspect of depression. So I use both, at least in winter.

If you get off Lexapro, you are supposed to taper off. Ask your medical professional for advice.

In contrast to what MadMax said, I think that Lexapro does help with sleep, at least in my case. It's more subtle than taking a sleep aid drug. It seems it has to build up in your system.

I don't have experience with any of those other things you guys mention. I think the advice the other posters have given is sound- listen to your doctor, but do some research, too.

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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6729

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Thanks all of y'all. I think I'm afraid of the withdrawal because I don't now what to expect. Aimee, I agree that Lexapro helps indirectly with sleep because it helps with anxiety. The annoying part i I don't think it really helped with anything. I think I hate anti depressants for myself, even though Zoloft has helped me in the past.

Once I poured my heart out to a psychiatrist for 2 hours, and at the end he gave me a script for Zoloft. Like any GP would have done. Lesson learned: never see someone who is the only shrink who has an opening. I'm rambling. I think they just pick a drug at random.

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I would definitely taper off of the meds. Stopping suddenly is not a great feeling. I recently tried to taper off of meds and it did not go so well for me. I did manage to cut my dose of Celexa and take less klonopin (if I have the right strain of kratom).

I think I am going to check out the facebook group mentioned by Paul. If there are others that have done it or know more about it I am all for that. I wish you luck with your journey. I am on a new med myself and having doubts, the long term side effects scare me. It works well but recently researching it further scared me a bit.

I would also keep your doc posted about any changes or cuts you make. My doc does not know about kratom and I wish I could tell him but he would not know what it is. On the other hand if you cut your meds and for some reason are hospitalized (sorry to sound negative) and they get your med records you want them updated. You could end up worse off. This has always been my mothers advice...

My doc is aware of my taper from Celexa and the new med is temporary (I hope) until I can feel more comfortable with the klonopin taper also. I feel like I am making no sense today. Time for my best med of all, coffee. Take care and good luck!

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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6732

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I don't know if they pick a drug at random, Llerellen, but I know sometimes it takes some trial and error with different meds & dosage till you find one that works. I think my Doc picked Lexapro, because the salesman had just been there & he (the Doc) had some samples to give out.
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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6733

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I think it is about your situation at that moment. I had a death in my family 15yrs ago and took meds for just over a year, from a GP that knew me very well. The GP I have now I would never let him prescribe me mental health meds. He does not know me well at all and honestly I am in the process of finding a new one.

I do bio-feedback (therapy about 2x a month). I also now see a phych doc who took a lot of time to even prescribe meds to me. He looks at my therapy notes and talks to me about what is going on.

I could see a GP throwing something on a patient that may not be needed or maybe excessive for the situation or even not enough? Thats when you need to take a close look at things and try to figure out 1. is this the right doc for me 2. would therapy alone be more effective and 3. how does this med make me feel, better or worse? There are a million other variables to this also.

I do realize and know from experience co-pays can be a problem with therapy but some plans come with 3 or 4 visits. I am lucky to fall under charity care. My story now is long and not one I would like to share 100% of here but many people take medication for a brief time or get switched. I also learned kratom is not always the solution to get off of medications alone. It can help but it takes work also. Good luck to all. It is a slippery slope and what works for one person is not a guarantee it will work for everyone else.

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kratom and anti depressants 2 years 9 months ago #6746

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I used to got to a Psych Doc & I told him all about Kratom. I told him how much Kratom has helped me with all my Medical Conditions. He ordered a book all about Kratom for himself & was going to Suggest it to all his other Patients but first he was going to Research Kratom for awhile. Anyway I stopped going to the Psych Doc & I don't know what exactly happened. I did get a Doctor interested in Kratom & how it can helping people with their Problems. B)

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