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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9706

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Does anyone else have problems with kratom over 10 g a day? High anxiety, sweats, maniacal anger or sadness, can't keep my temp. regulated. It was suggested to me by an oriental physician that it was causing my parasympathic adrenal system to go into distress. I use it for anklyosing spondylitis, many neck/back fusions, fibro, CPS and at this level it works some. But I also have vampiric insomnia, never sleeping more than an hour or so at a time. I heard Kratom helps with sleep but only at 10+ grams a dose in the evening. Any thoughts? Anyone else have problems similar?
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9708

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The largest dose I have ever taken at once is 8g, but I didn't have anything like that. Is it possibly interacting with another medication you are taking? Kava Kava helps with sleep, as will valerian root. Just in case you want to try either of those. There are also supplements available that help with overactive adrenals (high cortisol levels). I can't think of any name brands right now, but maybe a google search? Also, maybe a dose of 5g and then another 5g an hour or two later might be helpful, instead of all at once?

Wishing you a quick solution and hope you feel better soon.
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9711

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No other meds at this time. I came off all opiates in January (cold turkey with low dose kratom). I was prescribed comically high doses for over 16 yrs. I think my brain/body is just really tired of medications. Even Kratom and marijuana.
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9723

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I have always tried to stay under 10g a day. I am usually fine with about 6grams, maybe less. I am on Kolonopin and Subutex and have been for years. I recently re-tried Kratom a few months ago. It greatly decreased my need for the benzo's and Subutex... especially the Subutex. I hate going to the doctor every other month, I am lucky to have health insurance that covers the visits and meds. My goal is to one day get off the Subutex 100% completely. I was taking 12-16mg a day, with the Kratom I have been able to get by most days with 4mg. Some days I feel like I don't need it at all, but I work 6 days a week and I can become very tired (depending on what strain I use... Reds=pain-relief/tired, Green/White=pain-relief-energy).. but even with most white green strains, without my subutex I become tired and be known to sleep most the day... never sick, just tired. If I could afford a week or 2 off from work I would try to ditch the subutex completely... since I know 1 day I will lose my health insurance, like I have in the past.. and been stranded paying out of pocket ridiculous amounts of cash just to live a normal daily life.

I have also cut my dosage of Kolonopin, the Kratom really helps for the stress and anxiety, however when I lessen my benzo/kpin dosage I tend to lose my appetite, not get as good sleep, etc... like I said 1 day I hope to completely ditch the subutex, but I will always try and keep my Kpins. Whether needed/taken or not, it is nice to know I have them for stress relief, anxiety, and sometimes I can get by on a solid 5-6hrs of sleep and wake up feeling 100% refreshed, plus the benzo's are dirt cheap at the pharmacy compared to buprenorphine (subutex)... like literally $.50 cents a mg for kpins vs $11 for 8mg of buprenorphine... even the 4mg subs are $8-10... which is ridiculous, and rare, you really need to "shop around" the pharmacy's as some charge even more.

It's a stinky way to live life, but without my meds I can become out of control, I suffer from a lot of pain from old hockey injuries, 2-3 horrible falls thanks to the wintery icey NJ winters, my 120lb mastiff jumping on me, falling down some steps, etc... and OTC pain meds do not do the trick. There were days I could barely walk around, I would limp, and I was just unproductive and could not work at all, especially what I do now working in retail lifting boxes often, being on my feet 8-11hrs a day... there would be noway I could do what I do without the meds, and thankfully the Kratom has helped so much in regards to pain relief, some times energy, and also cutting down the pharm meds a great deal.

The vendors on this site are great, you can probably find 50g for as low as $15 USD, which is unbelievable, that 50g can last me a week. So $15 a week isn't bad at all, heck $30 a week wouldn't be all that bad, considering that some meds can cost $10-15+ a day without insurance.

I know a lot of people will call me an idiot, taking these pharm meds + kratom, but it's the way I've lived my life, without having to look "elsewhere". I wouldn't wish these "addictions"... or what I prefer to call chemical dependencies on my worst enemies... but everyone needs to do what is best for them, and I do not recommend doing anything I do.... hehe. Best wishes with everything!
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9746

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I have read many posts about being able to sleep on Kratom but I find that completely the opposite no matter what strain. The only thing I can think of is that pain meds might help with sleeping? I'm fortunate to not have to take meds so I am on strictly Kratom. If I take Kratom too close to night time I know for sure I am not going to get a good nights sleep. Insomnia at its finest
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9749

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Burning about 5-7 grams of a red vein does help sleep. I do have symptoms of RLS which occurs occasionally and kratom does seem to help in that aspect. It helps my body to relax. Now I try not to burn kratom every night nor take kratom everyday.
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9750

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AMKratomhelps wrote:
I have read many posts about being able to sleep on Kratom but I find that completely the opposite no matter what strain. The only thing I can think of is that pain meds might help with sleeping? I'm fortunate to not have to take meds so I am on strictly Kratom. If I take Kratom too close to night time I know for sure I am not going to get a good nights sleep. Insomnia at its finest
How much did you burn at night? If you're burning only 2-3 grams than that may be slightly stimulating even if it's a relaxing strain.
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9756

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Never judge someone else's pain, that's what I always say. Pain is completely 100% personal on every level.
After 16 yrs (the last 6 at almost criminal doses) I just could not walk in a pain clinic one more time. Plus, without insurance it was helluva expensive!

My functionality is down to being able to sit up/walk under 100ft to 15 minutes per docs orders. I'm not gonna lie, I have not had a 'drug' craving since I went CT but to lay down in comfort and rest (I don't sleep) pain free would be the best thing ever. The kratom does help for daytime pay a bit, just wish I could take it at the higher levels for sleep. Maybe it's good I can't, don't need even one more withdrawal. Ever!

I hear getting off subs is even worse than oxycodone? I was at 160+mg a day. I can't even imagine...
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9757

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AMKratomhelps wrote:
I have read many posts about being able to sleep on Kratom but I find that completely the opposite no matter what strain. The only thing I can think of is that pain meds might help with sleeping? I'm fortunate to not have to take meds so I am on strictly Kratom. If I take Kratom too close to night time I know for sure I am not going to get a good nights sleep. Insomnia at its finest


I have had issues with not being able to fall asleep if I have laid off the Kratom for a few days, and then possibly take it too late in the evening. It's usually been the Green strains (unsure about White.. would imagine the same or worse)...

If I could explain it, it's like my body's trying to "enjoy" the ride... and in noway am I comparing that to a hardcore drug trip, it just seems like my body and mind are awoken (in a good way), so I will not "burn" in evenings, same with some of my pharmaceuticals. Some nights it does, some nights it does not keep me up, I tend to try and not take the risk. If I am tired from a long days work I am passing out either way.

I just know with a few red strains, especially Thai, I have had some tired days at work, but really not all that bad, but the moment I got home and did or didn't dose, I would crash like a baby...
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Problems with Kratom over 10g a day. Anyone else? 1 year 8 months ago #9758

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Yeah, I just stopped taking pain meds and benzos in January after 16yrs. Do NOT want to go down that road again! I do love the Kratom, I'll take daytime pain relief, no problem!
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