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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12380

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Does anyone notice that when their tolerance goes way up, the symptoms one wzperiences, change? At least, I believe they change.

For example, 7 g of a green malaysian may provide energy, focus and a mood lift. I feel like, as my tolerance increases, it could take 10 to 12 grams for the same result.

However, as my tolerance climbs to 15 g and higher, I feel like I still get pain relief but none of the other good effects, except feeling very tired. So, I wonder do some effects just go away at a certain dose and or does it always provide a sedation effects above a threshold dose.

Recently my dosage got to 15g and over but even though I have pain relief, I am incredibly tired. I think this feeling of extreme fatigue could be withdrawal st thisnpoint. My tolerance is probably still rising but refuse to take that much kratom. I literally can hardly stay awake today.

Maybe it is tie to take a few days off and take a little stem and vein in the process.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12383

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I have always wondered the same thing. Does a stimulating strain become sedating at higher dosages because of tolerance? I am also going to go on a s&V run for 2-4 days.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12387

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gmantheman wrote:
I have always wondered the same thing. Does a stimulating strain become sedating at higher dosages because of tolerance? I am also going to go on a s&V run for 2-4 days.

It is sort of a grey area. What I am sort of learning is that as my tolerance rises, my equating symptoms also move up the scale.

So if get focus, energy, mood lift and pain relief at 5 grams with let's say any particular strain or blend and sedation at around 10g or more. That same kratom, once my tolerance goes up, with provide the energy, focus, mood lift and pain relief at about 12 grams, and sedation at about 17 g.

It seems everything shifts up. Sometimes I notice that some of the symptoms, such as energy may be less even at higher doses to match my tolerance, but will still have some symptoms. It seems to vary for me.

I tried 7 to 8 grams of this recent blend before lunch, trying to lower my dose but it had no effects and the lack of energy, horrible fatigue was too bad. So, at 4pm this afternoon, I took 12 g and I had all the expected symptoms. I got no sedation at that dose because my tolerance is sky high now.

Not sure if I go cold turkey a while, sub in some stem and vein instead, but I recall trying it a while back with little effect. It seems just stopping for 3 to 5 days does it for me but the fatigue from withdrawal really effects ts my life.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12388

If u dont mind me asking, how long did it take your tolerance to go from 5g to 10g of the same strain to get desired results? And also when you change to a different strand does that not help with keeping your tolerance low? Or have you tried that method?
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12389

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I have to watch it more closely but I think it takes about a month or so. I know back it in early May I was good with 5 to 7 grams. Could partly be two reasons aside from just the way my body is. When pain gets bad, I tend to take more and more often, and always take it every day, so it builds quickly. Taking it 4 or 5 times a day is easy when I am suffering. In that case, tolerance builds fast.

I am not sure I rotate correctly. I have various strategies. I think I may start over with taking a white in the morning, green in afternoon and red at night. Then after a number of days, switch to three different strains of the same color.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12394

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Guitarguy- I agree with you 100% on this subject. Six weeks ago or so, 3 grams did everything I needed it to, and the effects lasted 4-5 hours. Now I need 10 grams split in two doses about an hour apart. I can take 8+ grams of a Red that most people find sedative, and it's energetic. I had to give up on taking Kratom for sleep. I think all I did was drive my tolerance up taking 8-10 grams at night in search of sleep. Some days no matter how much I take, or what kind, it does nothing but keep me well. I tried to go one day without, and it was terrible. Not something I'm willing to go through so I need to find a way to reduce my tolerance minus the agony of withdrawal.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12399

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STEVO...

you could try a new vendor or one you haven't tried in some time. Plus a strain you haven't had in a while. I am trying this now. I am also including some stem and vein. Unfortunately it may require raking less.

Unless, anyone else has ideas.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12401

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I have read a lot of posts about magnesium sulfate helping with tolerance concerns. I have not personally tried it but you can search it, even on this forum for people who have.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12402

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Thanks, I have tried magnesium as well. I don't think the form of magnesium matters so much. As long as it absorbs.
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tolerance and symptoms. 1 year 3 months ago #12410

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guitarguy wrote:
STEVO...

you could try a new vendor or one you haven't tried in some time. Plus a strain you haven't had in a while. I am trying this now. I am also including some stem and vein. Unfortunately it may require raking less.

Unless, anyone else has ideas.
I agree with trying different strains. Stem and Vein may work as well. If you do go the S&V route, I would maybe think of getting two different S&Vs. HB&Ms which is red Bali based is good nighttime strain. The S&V from say enthofarm or Ohio Botanicals is a mix and may be ideal for day.
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