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Psychosis as a side effect of chronic kratom use? 1 month 3 days ago #21089

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I have been using for about 5 years now and when I told my psychiatrist my psychotic symptoms started around when I started using kratom, he assumed it was causative, and didn't believe that I could have found kratom as a relief for the symptoms.

Has anyone any information on chronic side effects of long term kratom use? Is psychosis/schizophrenia a long term side effect of kratom use?

I use daily, two teaspoons extract or ground leaf per cup maybe 5 cups a day.
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Psychosis as a side effect of chronic kratom use? 1 month 3 days ago #21094

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I have never read any legitimate research showing unusual incidence of psychosis among kratom consumers -- and I've read a lot of medical studies.

I think where this idea comes from is a study done on some laborers in rural Thailand in 1975 who were committed to a poison control center for treatment and two of them were diagnosed with schizophrenia. There was no blood testing done upon intake, the doctor just took their word that they had been taking kratom for several years. They also mentioned they used heroin when they could afford it and also took yaba (methamphetamine) occasionally. No consideration of their nutritional status was noted, even though fasting and dehydration can also be factors causing psychotic behavior. Their psychosis was totally blamed on the kratom they used. After a short stay in the care of this hospital, with regular meals, they returned to normal. To my mind, that proves nothing about kratom. It seems more likely they might have been on a long run of taking meth, working in the hot sun with little or no food and started to hallucinate.

Here's a better study: Social Functioning of Kratom Users in Malaysia: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25950592

Hope this helps!
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Psychosis as a side effect of chronic kratom use? 1 month 2 days ago #21098

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I'm grateful for your presence here, Paul. You are a voice of reason.
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Psychosis as a side effect of chronic kratom use? 1 month 2 days ago #21101

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Thank you, dragonteller! I get tired of reading the brainwashing we all get fed by the agencies who try to frighten the public away from natural remedies of all kinds. If it's not made in a pharmaceutical factory or a chemical plant, then it's not to be trusted is their message.

So, I love dissecting these studies to discern the truth. You don't see studies warning about the terrible side-effects and marginal success rate of prescription drugs that are killing hundreds of thousands of Americans who take them as prescribed, many in a controlled hospital setting -- but we sure do hear about one or two people who got nauseous when they took too much kratom and called poison control!!! And, they try to imply with flakey studies -- like the one I mentioned above -- that long term use of kratom causes psychoses.

Strange that intelligent people who are taking kratom like a tonic or cup of tea have none of these problems after 10 years and more. And they have their health back, thanks to kratom! So, we need to protect this plant and ask Congress to tell DEA to focus on doing something useful.
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Psychosis as a side effect of chronic kratom use? 1 month 2 days ago #21103

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mmkstarr wrote:
I have been using for about 5 years now and when I told my psychiatrist my psychotic symptoms started around when I started using kratom, he assumed it was causative, and didn't believe that I could have found kratom as a relief for the symptoms.

Has anyone any information on chronic side effects of long term kratom use? Is psychosis/schizophrenia a long term side effect of kratom use?

I use daily, two teaspoons extract or ground leaf per cup maybe 5 cups a day.

If the temporal relationship between your psychotic symptoms and Kratom use proves that Kratom was causal, then we HAVE to believe that immunizations cause autism. Even though study after study has disproved this many parents swear that their child's behaviour changed AFTER their immunizations.

A temporal relationship is NOT causal.

My mother went into hospital 8 hours after her first Kratom dose with a small bowel obstruction. She initially believed the Kratom caused it. However, imaging shows she has several "lesions" on her bowel that they are now investigating further. Those lesions were there BEFORE she ever took the Kratom so there is NO relationship between the obstruction and the Kratom intake. She continues to take Kratom to this day and there has not been any re-occurence of symptoms.

There is such a thing as coincidence!

Just because Kratom intake coincides with the appearance of new symptoms does not mean they were caused by the Kratom. Based on my own knowledge base about psychosis and my understanding about the chemistry of the alkaloids in Mitragyna Speciosa I find it hard to see a relationship.

Some alkaloids DO cause psychosis, but the symptoms wear off as the alkaloids leave the system. To my knowledge the alkaloids in Kratom do not cause psychosis. That does NOT mean however, that in combination with other chemicals that a psychosis cannot occur in a Kratom user as described in the post by kempaulh.

So IF the Kratom is involved, it is more likely an interaction with other chemicals, NOT the Kratom itself.
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Psychosis as a side effect of chronic kratom use? 3 weeks 6 days ago #21182

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kemppaulh wrote:
Thank you, dragonteller! I get tired of reading the brainwashing we all get fed by the agencies who try to frighten the public away from natural remedies of all kinds. If it's not made in a pharmaceutical factory or a chemical plant, then it's not to be trusted is their message.

So, I love dissecting these studies to discern the truth. You don't see studies warning about the terrible side-effects and marginal success rate of prescription drugs that are killing hundreds of thousands of Americans who take them as prescribed, many in a controlled hospital setting -- but we sure do hear about one or two people who got nauseous when they took too much kratom and called poison control!!! And, they try to imply with flakey studies -- like the one I mentioned above -- that long term use of kratom causes psychoses.

Strange that intelligent people who are taking kratom like a tonic or cup of tea have none of these problems after 10 years and more. And they have their health back, thanks to kratom! So, we need to protect this plant and ask Congress to tell DEA to focus on doing something useful.

This post makes me think about how stevia was banned. :)
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