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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21395

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A good friend of mine, and my sister, both recommended Kratom to me to help with my pain, since I can't afford to see a Doctor without medical insurance. Both use Kratom Red Bali regularly and swear by it, so my sister gave me some of the powder to try. It was nearly impossible to get down, but I tried 4 tsps over 6 hrs time, and noticed no effect at all. I did some research online to see if I was using it incorrectly, and I found that I was probably not taking enough, so I ordered 50 capsules because I couldnt imagine trying to choke down the powder again.

I ordered Red Vein Indo which is supposed to be twice as strong as bali, and I got the capsules yesterday, had to wait to take them till today since it says to take on an empty stomach. I took 5 capsules as the dosage suggests, first disappointment is that if it worked, I would have to order more right away, because 50 wont last long if I need 5 at a time. Anyway, I feel absolutely nothing. No enhanced energy, no elevated mood or euphoria, and definitely no pain relief. I was hoping for relief from my sciatica, and my tendinitis in my knee. At the very least, it could have relieved my mild headache, or stiff neck from sleeping wrong.

Im not a drug user beyond about 1600 mg of ibuprofin a day and i know from the oral surgery I had last year, that 7.5 mg of vicodin works wonders for pain. Since I cant get a prescription for anything anymore since I lost my insurance, I really prayed this would work. I think maybe my sister and my friend have a placebo effect or something.
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21398

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WELCOME TO THE BEST KRATOM FORUM EVAH, missjacki.
Sounds like either your tolerance to opiates is high, or maybe a supplement you're using interferes with the Kratom getting to the right receptors.
Sorry to hear it's not working for you. It's definitely not a placebo. However, it doesn't get you "high.", either. It only gives a subtle mood lift similar to coffee and it DOES relieve my sciatica pain ALONG WITH eating right, stretching and exercises. It's not a magic bullet to make ALL feelings and emotions fade away into euphoria. That's a common misconception.
Wishing you better luck finding something to help YOU :)
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21405

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I don't know where you heard or read that red indo is twice as strong as red bali. It is not. If they come from the same vendor and same farmer, there is not going to be that much difference.
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21406

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I have a question for you..

If you can get pain relief from ibuprofen WHY do you want to use Kratom?

I take 4 Gms about 3 -4 times per day for arthritis pain. I do not FEEL Kratom working, like you said no rush or euphoria or anything but I know that it has worked because in about 60-90 minutes I am moving better with less pain.

I use Kratom because NOTHING else works for me. Tylenol or Ibuprofen do nothing. Even the opiates I was taking had stopped having any effect on pain...that is why I started Kratom.

I get better effects from Kratom if I take it regularly through the day rather than just when I feel I need pain relief.

BTW reds are best for pain relief with Red Borneo usually being rated as the best (at least from the various sources I have consulted) however, most of the reds rate at between 7 - 10/10 for pain relief. I have, however, taken some reds that did absolutely nothing. Sometimes you just have to experiment until you find what works.
BEV
"Everybody is talking about pain killers, but nobody is talking about pain."
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21417

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I started using Kratom because ibuprofen doesnt help enough and people were recommending kratom. saying how it works wonders. I work 10 hours a day on my feet in a restaurant kitchen and its becoming impossible to do my job. I got priced out of health insurance so I cant get a prescription for anything stronger so I took the advice of friends and tried this
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21418

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the website I ordered it from said Indo is twice as strong as bali and is active in 2-3 capsules as opposed to 5 , but i ended up taking 7 over about 4 -5 hours time with no difference
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21420

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I was taking over 2,000 of IBU daily and it was ruining my life, and my stomach lining. It works, but it also creates inflammation! My medical condition results in painful swelling in the legs and damage to my already compromised vascular system (I am relatively young and was born with this gem of a disease)

My doctors either didn't bat an eye when I told them how much Tylenol and Advil I was taking per day, but would argue with me over Oil of oregano supplements and fish oil. Another doctor who actually found the handfuls of ibuprofen that I was eating for breakfast each morning problematic said she would 'teach me to live with the pain' because at this point, my condition resulted in my current unemployment. Two years ago I was a university professor. Now I cannot walk a quarter of a mile down the street. However, one thing I can say is that Kratom has taken away the physical pain almost entirely. Note:

This took a bit of practice! I started off with Kratom strewn across my kitchen countertops as I tried filling capsules, which didn't work. Or, I took too little. Or, I mixed it with something weird as a beverage. Or, I got crappy Kratom. Or, I was trying white strains and not Reds, and not certain Reds. Dosage was mostly an issue because I took too little since I didn't want it to end up being barf city over here.

I now have it down to a science but that was a process of finding my favorite vendors and strains and BLENDS for pain. You will never, ever feel 'high' or 'euphoric' and sometimes I just think those feelings come from not being in pain for a change! Seriously, I don't want you to give up. There are lots of variables about how you take it, when, with or without food, strain, vendor, and many more I can't think to mention. I do not take any ibuprofen these days, but Tylenol yes because I run a near constant low-grade fever. I am grateful each day that this exists and is legal for the time being, and my biggest fear in the world is having to go back to a world where no one gave a damn about my pain or the worsening edema and massive bruising I visibly showed, while inside, my stomach was so wrecked that I could barely eat at all.

Please message me. It took me a long time to get the hang of this and had I earlier, I might still have my career. I hope to have one in the future, but two years out of the classroom is kind of a career kill in my field. Pain should not stop anyone from living their life, and it did just that for me. Kratom allowed me to get some power back and say to myself, you don't deserve to be in pain. When it didn't work, I just read more and more. I hung out here for a year, not saying anything but reading everything. My tolerance to any medication is high, likely because my stomach can no longer properly absorb a damn thing--yet Kratom works! I can't even absorb minerals from my food, yet Kratom works. If it does for me, I am guessing it will for you. You will know it is working when you are not in pain. Period. At least, that is how it worked for me. Pot supposedly works for pain and gets people high. This is nothing like pot or else I would be having a panic attack instead of writing this. There is something better than euphoria and it's called, being given a chance. Don't give up and again, message me.
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21421

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I just read this again and saw capsules. Capsules absolutely do not work for me. I took 8 capsules my first time, and the time after, 10. I learned quickly that I was going to learn to like the taste of Kratom and deal with it, which I did and have. It's like when you take a sip of your uncle's beer when you're six years old and think it's the grossest thing in the world. It is, but we develop a liking for the taste because of the effects associated with it. When I taste Kratom, I only taste what it means to be pain free. I could drink nail polish remover if it had the same effect. Thankfully, it does not. That would be really disgusting.
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21431

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missjacki wrote:
the website I ordered it from said Indo is twice as strong as bali and is active in 2-3 capsules as opposed to 5 , but i ended up taking 7 over about 4 -5 hours time with no difference
That sounds a little shady unless the Indo is an extract. I don't put much faith in companies that says one of their strains is twice as strong as another.
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Dissatisfied 2 months 2 weeks ago #21432

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Hi missjacki
Sorry to hear that it hasn't worked for you yet!. Either your not taking enough or what you have is not good. Everyone is different. I would suggest increasing the amount and if it still not helping you go to my go to guy Chris at Christopher Organic Botanica's. He will help you. I'm sure their are other good vendor's but for me I don't have to try anyone else. When I use kratom no pain and no PTSD. Don't give up until you have spoken to Chris. holycow#1
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