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Kratom less is more theory(ceiling effect) 6 days 10 hours ago #24501

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Laurie wrote:
So the goal is do all this extra work on your leaf to make it stronger, then use normal dose (very tiny), right?

What exactly is the point that will “help so many people” again?

Is this a separate issue from your efforts to remove the natural ceiling?

The leaf ALREADY “helps so many people”.

As to tolerance, when I use my reduced dose of an enhanced product, my tolerance goes WAY UP for about 2 - 3 days afterward.

I guess you weren't kidding, you are struggling to understand what i have been saying. No problem.

1. There are many people that KRatom can not help due to natural tolerance and bad synergy with full alkaloidal properties kratom is great but it is not without side effects for all.

2. I am planning on isolating corynantheidine and removing it from my powder dose once i find a way to successfully extract it without harming any of the other alkaloids. Then i will be able to take the kratom leaf/powder free of the antagonist of mu.

3. In my experience taking extracts has never increased my tolerance for kratom leaf so as long as i take an equal amount but to each their own.

4. yes the extracts are separate from my efforts to remove the mu antagonist. I make extracts to reduce amount consumed for my brother. i prefer to take powdered kratom over resin extracts. Resin extracts are water and acidic based extracts. There is no difference from leaf if done correctly and one uses several stages to pull full amount of alkaloids, it would be comparable to kratom tea, all it does is reduce the amount consumed and does not increase your dosage.
Kratom Resin Extract like i showed above is just a condensed form of kratom leaf, if i was to make resin using 5g of powdered kratom it could only be the strength of 5g of powdered kratom or less depending on your skill.
There is no way possible for it to raise your tolerance any more than Kratom tea would! according to science. I believe some of the extracts you purchased online was adulterated with Pure ISolates of Mitragynine and 7-OH-MG crystals added into the extract which would cause an increase of tolerance rapidly!

but doing the one i described at home would not increase tolerance in any way shape or form any more than Kratom tea would.

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you must understand there is a great difference between a quick 20-30 minute kratom tea preparation compared to a proper alkaloid transfer into water containing acidic acid(lemon juice) for 7 days, acidic acid acts both as an alternative solvent and also a natural preservative. there is a possibility that we can remove the antagonist inside kratom removing bad side effects at higher dosages. why i want to remove the ceiling effect is there are some who have natural tolerance to kratom's alkaloids and this would require a much larger dose than you take to even feel the slightest effects that you do at a much higher dosage, but taking such a large dose gives these users a plethora of side effects you are not familiar with because the antagonist is only less than 1% compared to all alkaloids within kratom, looking at all alkaloids in kratom together mitragynine accounts for nearly 50% of the alkaloidal content. So at higher doses you would experience very bad side effects and some are forced to use that amount. Removing corynantheidine like im suggesting would not change your consumption if i can find a successful way to do this. you would take the kratom in the normal way you would(powder form/kratom leaf) it would just be lacking the opioid antagonist that creates many adverse reactions at higher dosages.
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Kratom less is more theory(ceiling effect) 6 days 4 hours ago #24504

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I've always got much better results with Plain Leaf than any Extract or Enhanced Version of Kratom. I don't know what it is but the Plain Leaf is just from pure nature & not messed with my Humans. The Extracts or Enhanced Versions have some of the Alkaloids missing in them after they Extract or Enhance them. Plain Leaf is the best way to go. Extracts & Enhanced do have a Place but only when you need something for Severe Pain or Depression once in awhile. I'm not saying that Extracts or Enhanced Versions are bad but they need to be treated with Respect because they are more addictive than the Plain Leaf because some of the Alkaloids are more Pronounced & you have to watch your dose & be sure not to keep taking more & more when taking Extracted or Enhanced Versions. They have their Place just like Resin, Tincture, Tea & Stem & Vein does.
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Kratom less is more theory(ceiling effect) 5 days 13 hours ago #24515

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madmaxnightrider wrote:
I've always got much better results with Plain Leaf than any Extract or Enhanced Version of Kratom. I don't know what it is but the Plain Leaf is just from pure nature & not messed with my Humans. The Extracts or Enhanced Versions have some of the Alkaloids missing in them after they Extract or Enhance them. Plain Leaf is the best way to go. Extracts & Enhanced do have a Place but only when you need something for Severe Pain or Depression once in awhile. I'm not saying that Extracts or Enhanced Versions are bad but they need to be treated with Respect because they are more addictive than the Plain Leaf because some of the Alkaloids are more Pronounced & you have to watch your dose & be sure not to keep taking more & more when taking Extracted or Enhanced Versions. They have their Place just like Resin, Tincture, Tea & Stem & Vein does.

I agree with most of what you said there. I however know that tarry resin extracts are no more addictive or risk for raising one's tolerance than kratom tea. My brother actually has to use kratom tea only, he gets adverse reactions from plain leaf and toss & wash method, in the end its just a different route of administration. there are however methods of extraction that pull all alkaloids successfully but it's complicated for most. I do agree completely that enhanced extracts are very addicting and do raise tolerance rapidly but tarry resin is a condensed form of kratom tea, there for if taken properly your tolerance will not raise anymore than kratom tea could cause, which it is very similar to powdered leaf in that aspect.
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