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Involuntary muscle jerking with kratom... 3 months 6 days ago #24456

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Hi everyone. I am experiencing involuntary muscle movement, many times it's a jerking motion. It's called myoclonus, which I experienced while on a medication for anxiety/depression, and it got worse when I was taken off the lamictal and abilify. I haven't had it for about 2 years and now I'm having it. It's when I'm still, and the severity increases when I'm lying down!! I usually take about 2 grams of a stimulating strain in the morning and 2-4 grams of a red in the evening for pain,anxiety and insomnia. Also I do notice it more at night. I'm just curious to see if anyone else has experienced this, it's not fun and it's a little scary :(

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Involuntary muscle jerking with kratom... 3 months 6 days ago #24460

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I am no physician or neuro scientist but kratom does effect the KOR receptors as well and is why some use it to assist with depression, that may be something to consider.

Me personally, I have noticed this when I go to bed and take some before hand, lets say a hour or so , right before I fall asleep I will get that body jolt or twitch more often. This has happened before kratom and I have noticed other people do it as well right before they fall asleep. Might be when the body paralyzes its self before falling asleep and a small error occurs so to speak. I don't know but just hypothesizing, I think Kratom might potentiate that effect because It is more prevalent and noticeable. This never happens while awake though for me, just right before I drift off to sleep, then WHAM! I find it kinda cool and an odd experience but can imagine it would be annoying if it happened allot especially while awake and upright.

On a side note, Kratom also lightly plays with the same receptors caffeine does as well so i'm kinda questioning if we are getting the real quality of sleep we should be. I heard on the radio the other day that even if caffeine doesn't keep you up at night, it still depresses the quality of sleep you should be having in the deep state, not the REM. We need the quality of both deep state and REM dream state. It does seem to increase REM or lucid dreaming from my experience greatly.

Sadly Kratom hasn't been through human trials so it would be hard to get any factual info just lots of anecdotal and hypothesis.
I really wish we had a Elon musk of the pharmaceutical world that would invest on researching plants like kratom were no one else will drop a dollar on. I feel it's just as important as going beyond earth and alternative energy.
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Involuntary muscle jerking with kratom... 3 months 6 days ago #24462

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Thank you for your insight Roadieratonga, I too experience the hypnotic jerk when drifting off to sleep. So, yes, I too believe it is possible that kratom potentiates this. I also thought about how kratom affects the brain, and with that, how it seems to be causing these intense jerks just like some of the psychoactive medicines. So my concern is will it worsen and will it become long term. I know with some of the psychoactive meds it can get worse and become permanent. I too think researching alternative medicine such as kratom is extremely important, and wish our priorities were different than they appear to be. As far as coffee and or kratom and sleep are concerned, I think they do mess with important sleep cycles, and that it is always best not to use anything to help with sleep if possible. I will continue to research this topic, and thanks again...have a great night =-O
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Involuntary muscle jerking with kratom... 3 months 6 days ago #24463

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I always notice spasms or muscle jerking JUST prior to sleep.

My ex boyfriend has very SIGNIFICANT twitches before he falls asleep and he had never tried kratom.

During wide awake times, that’s DIFFERENT and may indicate something more serious than an imminent nap.
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