21 Jun 2018
Today, June 21st, 2018, the American Kratom Association sent a letter authored by 9 leading experts on Kratom to the House and Senate Leadership in advance of the upcoming Senate Judicial Committee hearing. See the Press Release here: www.americankratom.org/aka-works-with-scientists

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TOPIC: Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal

Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal 4 months 1 week ago #25375

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This is a great discussion! Thanks Max for starting this thread. I'm looking forward to seeing what experiences you have with the different herbs. I bought a few things from Meridian and they were great quality. I took the cat's claw and the first time I had really creepy vivid dreams. When mixed with Kratom it was fine. I didn't get that with it mixed and it was soothing. Sort of defeats the purpose though of trying to give the body a break from Kratom!

When I started taking Tramadol in 1993, it was touted as non addictive. Ugh. It sure as hell is and was. Kratom has been the one thing that saved me. Laurie, I agree - they have no clue what their chemical compounds are doing in totality and the problem is they don't care. I really think because Kratom is an herb and they can't corner the market they want it out of the picture just as Ocho says. It's so sad.
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Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal 4 months 1 week ago #25380

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I believe that Kratom needs to be integrated into the medical and pharma fields. Once doctors are able to prescribe Kratom to cure various ailments, then I believe that everyone can move on to being less sick from synthetic chemicals and more "well".

I know that there are Suboxone, Subutex, Methadone, and other synthetics which are often used for helping people leave hardcore opiates. But Kratom should be considered a primary substitute for these offerings. When used in combination with Loperamide, Kratom can almost eliminate most withdrawal issues (PAWS not so much).

The problem (my conspiracy theory) is that a) Kratom is not consistent, regulated, since it is a plant, and therefore dosage, effect, and even side effect are not as controlled. Also it is an industry that the government (speaking US Gov. here) does not make any money from. No money = No support.

The only reason why the MJ industry is taking off right now is because the governments (federal, local, etc) finally figured out a way to get paid by it. Yes, it is ridiculously expensive over the counter, but at least it is an option. The medical industry has more access to it.

Right now, Kratom is just all alone, and having to fight really hard to stay alive.
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Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal 4 months 1 week ago #25383

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I believe that Kratom needs to be integrated into the medical and pharma fields. Once doctors are able to prescribe Kratom to cure various ailments, then I believe that everyone can move on to being less sick from synthetic chemicals and more "well".


Many natural health practitioners and Kratom users would agree with you. The problem is that Doctors do not know how to work with herbs...this is not their area of expertise.

The medicinal content of herbs can change depending on how they are grown, climate conditions etc. So the actual therapeutic amount can change from batch to bath. This is OK with medical herbalists and other natural therapy practitioners because it is what they work with everyday, BUT it is not precise enough for doctors and pharmacists who want to know right down to the milligram how much of the actual therapeutic chemical they are administering.

The medical cannabis scenario in Canada is a GREAT example of this. Doctors have been directed by their regulatory bodies to only refer patients to LP's (licensed producers). There the products are not labelled by strain but rather by content . Each batch is guaranteed to contain a certain percentage of THC or CBD. This is much more precise - for medicinal purposes. So physicians have now gone away from referring to dispensaries (usually small business) and now refer to the LP's (usually multi million dollar corporations). While this may LOOK like a conspiracy (I mean maybe the doc hold shares in this company?) there is actually good rationale behind it.

The ONLY thing that will change when Cannabis becomes legally regulated this summer (still hopeful) is that recreational users will be able to purchase legally. It is my understanding that nothing about the medical cannabis regulations in changing.

BUT the Cannabis advocates have done a really good job over that last few decades getting us to where we are now with cannabis regulation...Hopefully we can do the same for Kratom through the AKA.

In my view Kratom is FAR superior to Cannabis for my needs and has a much better safety profile socially, as there are no impairment issues with M Speciosa. The biggest challenge with Kratom is learning how to manage for tolerance.
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Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal 4 months 1 week ago #25389

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To add to what Ocholoco Bill was saying, for clarity, the subutex, methadone and suboxone are the drugs big pharma is very interested in expanding their use because they make the withdrawal process ten times harder and longer and insurance won’t pay for them. Cash money on an EXTREMELY addictive substance is return on investment and lots of gravy for big pharma suits.

Kratom is in direct alignment to compete (also for cash) with these rotten options. We need to donate a few million bucks for AKA to donate to the lobbyists to stall for a few years maybe?!
Any educated half wit will pick kratom over big pharma, so the more we educate the public, the better our chances!
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Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal 4 months 1 week ago #25406

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Kitsune wrote: This is a great discussion! Thanks Max for starting this thread. I'm looking forward to seeing what experiences you have with the different herbs. I bought a few things from Meridian and they were great quality. I took the cat's claw and the first time I had really creepy vivid dreams. When mixed with Kratom it was fine. I didn't get that with it mixed and it was soothing. Sort of defeats the purpose though of trying to give the body a break from Kratom!

When I started taking Tramadol in 1993, it was touted as non addictive. Ugh. It sure as hell is and was. Kratom has been the one thing that saved me. Laurie, I agree - they have no clue what their chemical compounds are doing in totality and the problem is they don't care. I really think because Kratom is an herb and they can't corner the market they want it out of the picture just as Ocho says. It's so sad.



What other Herbs did you get from Meridian Botanicals?
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Kratom For Opiate Withdrawal 4 months 1 week ago #25408

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Big Pharma can't get involved..You can't patent nature. What we need is a counterpart to Commission E, Germany's Herbal and Therapeutic Medicine oversight committee. The equivalent of the FDA only they deal with herbals. Once enormous profits enter the picture, all bets are off. The government has a way of 'bastardizing' even the best of things. :(
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