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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 5 months 2 days ago #28062

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After several years taking kratom with regular tolerance breaks I just can't figure out how a strain will effect me with any given dose. Sometimes the same strain will be great and other times nothing, even at the same dose. Sometimes its more sedating, and other times it's more stimulating or gives me no effect whatsoever despite taking the same dose. It's so frustrating because I even rotate 10-12 strains and not one strain gives me consistent results. After a 3-5 day tolerance break I usually get great results from first 3 days or so back taking kratom after the t-break. But then it levels out and becomes unpredictable again.

I don't know how some people can take the same 1 to 3 strains for weeks and get consistent results at the same dose. I have quality kratom so I know that's not the problem. I take kratom for mood lift and energy. I don't take it for pain or sleep. I tested all kinds of doses from 1g to 6g with at least 20 strains from my regular stash and samples from various vendors. Here's what often happens...

1) First time taking a strain I never took before (usually 2-4 grams), I often got excellent mental stimulation and energy that would last for 3-5 hours. The 2nd time taking that same strain and batch, the effect was weaker. Then the 3rd time the effect was barely noticeable. It seems my body builds a tolerance within days.

2) Sometimes 1 gram would give me excellent results. Other times nothing. The same with 2, 3 and 4 grams. I never know what the ride will be.

3. I've come to learn strain colors mean nothing to my body chemistry. I have reds that will either stimulate me and sedate me at the same dose. The same with greens and whites. Sometines the same strain from the same batch is stimulating and other times sedating. I do notice the longer I wait to take the same strain the effect is stronger. <strong>Sometimes I can't take the same strain in a 3-4 week period if I want the best possible effect</strong>.

4. Despite taking kratom daily for sometimes months at a time, I'm able to take a tolerance break easily without any issue other than a very minor lethargy, almost like when I quit coffee some time ago. Therefore, if my body doesn't crave kratom when I'm on a tolerance break, then clearly I'm not getting consistent results. So maybe that's a blessing in disguise?

So here I am trying to figure out how to get consistent results that make me more productive. Again, I'm not looking for sedation, all I seek is the mental stimulation and mood lift. Coffee or the ECA stack is actually more effective than kratom sometimes to meet my needs. But when kratom works, it's the best by far.

Any ideas?
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 5 months 2 days ago #28065

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Sounds like you do dose using a scale? Not using a scale means you cannot guarantee your dose amount. 2 grams could be 3 grams with the spoon method.
Taking with food versus taking on an empty stomach?
Rotating too many strains might be throwing things off. Stay with the same 4 or 5 for a month. Next month instead of adding a six, switch out one keep the same of the others.

Just a suggestion have no idea if this could work.
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 5 months 1 day ago #28079

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Yes I use a scale. I always dose on an empty stomach. The few times I tried it an hour or so after eating I didn't get any effect. I'll try out your suggestion and rotate fewer strains. Your theory is interesting, I never considered I could be rotating too much.

BTW does this forum have low activity? I expected a few more replies but only you was kind enough to help. Thank you. :)
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 5 months 1 day ago #28080

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Since there is NO standardization for how Mitragyna speciosa is grown and processed, it cannot be suprising that there are differences in alkaloid content from batch to batch and strain to strain.

Soil and climate conditions affect the plant and the concentration of the alkaloids contained in the leaf.

This is all part of the big experiment.
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 5 months 1 day ago #28083

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Since I am taking turmeric anyway I started adding it right in my Kratom. I noticed it amplified the effect of Kratom and I needed to lower my dose. Since I lowered my dose I am picking up more energy from some of my doses. It is part of the Kratom experiment. When Kratom works it works far better than the alternatives.

I take for chronic pain(reduce that stress of pain management) that goes from mild to severe. I am getting mostly consistent pain relief, mood lift is an added plus.

I would take notes on the strain and vendor that worked the best. Narrow it down to 4 or 5 strains, try to take the favorite twice in a row. You said the third day is a no go.
Example - by week
Red Borneo 2 days. Gold MD 1 Day. Red Hulu 1 day. Yellow Indo 1 day. Back to Red borneo 2 days.
Yellow Indo 2 days, Red Hulu 1 day, Gold MD 1 day, Red Borneo 1 day, Red MD. 2 days.
Yellow Indo 1 day, Red MD 2 days, Gold Md 1 day, Red Hulu 2 day, Red Sumtura 1 day
Green thai 1 day. Yellow Indo 1 day, Red Sumutra 2 day, Gold MD 1 day, Red bali 2 days

I am rotating 4 to 5 strains but cycling back to my favorites.(I have plenty of strains/sample sizes to help tolerance) - My strategy is to take my favorite strains the ones that worked the best and only throw in rotating strains to help tolerance. I do not think a system of taking a different strain everyday for a month would work for me.
These are evening dosing for pain relief and stress relief.

Day would be a pattern of greens but I only dose the most three times a week. So I would rotate 2 strains of greens and might mix a white in the dose.
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 5 months 1 day ago #28084

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, richmilton!

The forum gets lots of activity in spurts. Cyclical.

Nights get more action. There’s about 20 regular posters at any given time, BUT look down at the bottom up of most threads. There’s a list of who is online and it always shows only about 8 of us members and AT LEAST 500 lurking GUESTS all the time.

As to your issue, I HAVE THE SAME EXACT ISSUES.

I almost thought I wrote your post!

Seriously. I even had to add extracts now and then, so now I DO have w/d symptoms between doses SOMETIMES.

I can’t take those breaks very often.

The only thing I can predict is MAYBE stem n vein will help. IT DID help yesterday. Same NEW batch today is not as helpful, but I did get pain relief after sprinkling my kratom with a few crystals.

I don’t recommend this. Now I KNOW I gotta quit for a while. But I’ve got all this dam product lying around! Like you, I have 20 choices EVERY DOSE. It’s a crap shoot on strain and dose.

The only thing I do NOT have that you do, is sedating issues. My doses are NEVER over 1 1/2 teaspoons (2-10 grams) about 3 times a day.
I cannot get sedating effects from ANY strain. I’ve tried up to 2 teaspoons and I get ENERGIZED. No matter where it’s from or what strain.

I’m also going with smaller doses, more frequently.
Today is 3 doses of red Bali with stem n vein and a few crystals on top.

I am with you on the issue being ITS HELPFUL or ITS NOT, to some degree.

Even extracts don’t necessarily reap more results and now I’ve got an addiction to deal with - gotta decide WHEN I can be in bed, shivering for about 5-7 days based on my research for quitting. Yay

Have you enjoyed many of the ILK APPROVED VENDORS?

Like you, I know it’s not bad product...

Hope you find the forum helpful, and you can help the many newbies we get.
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 4 months 4 weeks ago #28142

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Oh Laurie, I'm trying to figure this out as well. It's so rare lately for me to feel the sedative or uplifting effect. Am I taking too small of a dose?

There are a couple of red strains that I'm taking that absolutely relieve my pain, and in the end that's the most important thing, because pain relief, but I am missing that mood lift that I felt in the beginning. Sometimes I even feel really annoyed with folks around me. I almost snapped at one of my coworkers yesterday just because he tapped me on the shoulder to ask a question.

I'm keeping my doses fairly consistent, about two grams three times a day. I don't use it on my days off at all unless I have to do something active.

What do you think?
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Is All Kratom Hit or Miss? Unpredictable Effects Too Commom 4 months 2 days ago #29168

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I get crabby also when I use a “stimulating” strain. Sometimes. I’m also in menopause and blame that. And I have anxiety, depression and pain on and off now (used to be constant).

Now to get my tolerance back down I’m cutting WAY BACK and doing ok, except fatigued.

HOW ARE YOU TODAY?

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