TOPIC: Thanks Dr. Oz - you bunghole.

Wife suddenly going bonkers because Dr. Oz is talking about Kratom and how "no one knows what they're getting when the buy and use this stuff...."

Seriously? That's the problem with this stuff?

If that's the only problem with it, why is the FDA trying to make it schedule 1?

And I bring all of this stuff up and my wife just yells at me.......she's guilty of watching to much TV.......has no idea what she's talking about......

Thanks, Dr. Oz. Thanks a heap. I refuse to watch it because I guarantee he has no vendors on the show and no one from the AKA.

Bummer.

There are other infomercial shows she can watch. Dr Oz promotes products to SELL THEM.

He’s not a vendor, so of course he’s not a fan.

Bummer.

I lost my now ex husband to FOX NEWS. As Tom Petty’s song says, “you believe what you wanna believe..”

Hasn’t she heard that this is the FAKE NEWS decade yet?

Sorry to hear this.

"no one knows what they're getting when the buy and use this stuff...."

Which is why I never buy Kratom from a head shop and only chose vetted vendors and I prefer vendors that also have knowledge and investment in other herbal remedies and botanicals. I trust that my Kratom is well tested and safely handled.

My biggest scare- non kratom- was I just finished up a round of cortisone injection when it was announced some injections were tainted with meningitis and a few people died. "no one knows what they're getting when the buy and use this stuff...." - even from a pharmaceutical lab.

Hello Everybody, Glad To Be Back! Just hear to say that I'm trying to come back to the Forum. I kind of have Lost Hope with what our Government has been doing to Kratom. I am still Positive that we can Beat this Ban on Kratom but I don't think it will be Easy or Quick.

Sorry to hear that PhillyCheeze. Your Wife is like a lot of people out there who think they know the Truth about Kratom. If you buy from Reliable Vendors then you will always know what you are getting. I tend to stay away from Unknown Foreign Vendors unless you know that they are Very Reliable.

Just had a bit of a row with my wife. She works with independent pharmacies all over the country. First thing I understood about this is that the best defense is a good offense. You won't get anywhere trying to stake out small private claims in defense of something, especially in a country like ours where we've been taught to trust only what's verified, even if it that verification issues from corrupted or inadequate institutions like the FDA. Most of us never grew past that initial conditioning, even tho the FDA only has the manpower to assess 5% of new products submitted to it. The FTC? Herbalife. The supplement industry is unregulated and welcomed. In a world of dissonance (including Oz's own spurious promotions), all that's heard is noise. Kratom needs its own noise, a major marketing and advertising campaign/push, and better to ask forgiveness than permission. American business and politics is guerilla warfare, and American reality is perception. Kratom needs its own assumptive legitimacy, not the okay of disinterested others.

LaoWhooo wrote: Just had a bit of a row with my wife. She works with independent pharmacies all over the country. First thing I understood about this is that the best defense is a good offense. You won't get anywhere trying to stake out small private claims in defense of something, especially in a country like ours where we've been taught to trust only what's verified, even if it that verification issues from corrupted or inadequate institutions like the FDA. Most of us never grew past that initial conditioning, even tho the FDA only has the manpower to assess 5% of new products submitted to it. The FTC? Herbalife. The supplement industry is unregulated and welcomed. In a world of dissonance (including Oz's own spurious promotions), all that's heard is noise. Kratom needs its own noise, a major marketing and advertising campaign/push, and better to ask forgiveness than permission. American business and politics is guerilla warfare, and American reality is perception. Kratom needs its own assumptive legitimacy, not the okay of disinterested others.

Very well said.

So when you purchase a liter of milk...HOW do you know it is milk in there? and HOW do you know what else is in there besides milk?
When you purchase new tires for your car HOW do you know they are safe?

When you purchase a medication HOW do you know EXACTLY what is in there? The pharmacist switched suppliers on me and gave me another brand BUT I reacted to it EVEN though the ingredients list was the same. HOWEVER, it took us awhile to find the EXACT ingredients list.

And then there is this....

...people with hypothyroidism taking the thyroid hormone replacement drug levothyroxine need to be aware that many doctors do not recommend that thyroid patients take any generic levothyroxine from any manufacturer. The reason is that all levothyroxine drugs, including the generic and brand name drugs, are legally allowed to vary in potency from 95 to 105 percent of the stated dosage. When taking a generic levothyroxine, refills can come from any manufacturer, which means that each refill of a stated dosage can fall anywhere within that potency range.

My point being that there is trust involved in many, many consumer purchases and even pharmacueticals have some variance.
So if you find a good Kratom vendor with a product that works for you, and does not cause problems stick with them.

I had one of the worst allergic reactions EVER to a CBD product - go figure.(I was stoned on Bendryl for about 5 days)

I would really like to see a safe standard set for the use of Kratom as an herbal supplement so that we KNOW it is tested for pesticides, bacteria, heavy metals etc.

BUT I am not willing to risk having it removed completely from the market in order for that to happen.