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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 3 months 1 week ago #30782

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Smart to do your homework by reading other resources!
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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 3 months 1 week ago #30797

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I think the key is that that person's hair was ALREADY falling out. So introducing Kratom was not the reason for the hair loss.

lots of people here using Kratom safely without any complication and many have been using for a long period of time.

Constipation seems to be the biggest issue, so search on the forum for "digestion issues". There is a thread there with lots of good ideas for managing slow bowel function.
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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 2 months 6 days ago #31673

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PhillyCheeze wrote:

Halo in Reverse wrote: I just read it a couple places on the internet. I don't remember specifically where though. I always take what I read or hear with a grain of salt though. :) I also read one guy saying his hair has started falling out more since using kratom (but hopefully that doesn't have anything to do with the kratom lol).


You really do have to take everything you read with a grain of salt. There's a load of horrible misinformation online about kratom and also plenty of hypochondriacs out there that love to draw attention to themselves.

The only side effect I've experienced is, if I go too long in the morning without a dose, I get aggravated/grumpy and also hot and sweaty. Let's be honest, here. That's about the same as going without your coffee, ya know?

The only other side effect I've experienced is an uptick in quality of life.

If kratom is such a dangerous opiate, how is it that we all function normally in our lives while taking it?

Sorry. I'm just so disgusted by the lies.....

While I love Kratom, agree it is safe to ingest as far as not causing CNS depression, liver or heart damage or anything else serious or remotely fatal, etc and desperately want it to stay legal, I have to point out a bit that I do believe you are not accurate on the idea of Kratom having no ability to cause WD or side effects, and I feel it's good to be able to talk about that without judging anyone who mentions negative side effects as a hypochonrdriac.

I hate it, cause it should totally stay legal and I've donated money and I DO think it's safe by and large and certainly has never killed anyone, (nor do I believe in the claims of hair loss) but addiction can occur resulting in fatigue, depression, runny nose, RLS etc when too much is used.

I myself want to learn how to use this plant properly and not have WD as it has started to creep up on me, but I feel it's equally bad to deny it can ever have negative side effects as it is to over exaggerate them.

In my experience, using 3 days a week at doses higher than I know I should...fatigue and depression can occur for 4 days or so before dissipating.

I cannot speak for others, but Kratom is a wonderful plant beneficial for anxiety, depression, pain, etc.
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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 2 months 6 days ago #31679

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I have those same side effects and I live with it. Combined with peri-menopause is interesting!

I’ll bet I’m quitting the leaf too soon each evening. That may explain some miserable mornings. I had to cut it off early to avoid insomnia.

I’m going to pay more attention to these same side effects. Do you get the overheated sweating at night?!
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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 2 months 5 days ago #31684

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I myself want to learn how to use this plant properly and not have WD


1. lower your dose. 12 grams its a lot. You know this and I see you are trying to take steps to cut back.
2. Healthy diet. diet is very underestimated. You might eat super healthy idk. But fatty foods, lack of protein,fiber, fresh vegetables and fruits, will add to fatigue.
3. be careful of caffeine
4. stay hydrated - you would know this by now. Kratom is extremely dehydrating. Do not underestimated how much simple dehydration makes you feel awful

They will be no one answer. You have picked up some suggestions you can try and if doesn't work out there are other beneficial plants and homeopathic herbs out there.

I take kratom daily 1.7 grams - 2.4 grams twice a day. I had 3 days off and only had a runny nose. I do have an aggressive anti inflammatory diet I follow.

but I feel it's equally bad to deny it can ever have negative side effects as it is to over exaggerate them.


I do not see a lot of deniers. Not on this forum. Not even on Reddit, I think they are pretty even with their responses. If you are not liking the after effects I would really consider quitting.
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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 2 months 5 days ago #31692

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Nan70 wrote: inaramshead-

I myself want to learn how to use this plant properly and not have WD


1. lower your dose. 12 grams its a lot. You know this and I see you are trying to take steps to cut back.
2. Healthy diet. diet is very underestimated. You might eat super healthy idk. But fatty foods, lack of protein,fiber, fresh vegetables and fruits, will add to fatigue.
3. be careful of caffeine
4. stay hydrated - you would know this by now. Kratom is extremely dehydrating. Do not underestimated how much simple dehydration makes you feel awful

They will be no one answer. You have picked up some suggestions you can try and if doesn't work out there are other beneficial plants and homeopathic herbs out there.

I take kratom daily 1.7 grams - 2.4 grams twice a day. I had 3 days off and only had a runny nose. I do have an aggressive anti inflammatory diet I follow.

but I feel it's equally bad to deny it can ever have negative side effects as it is to over exaggerate them.


I do not see a lot of deniers. Not on this forum. Not even on Reddit, I think they are pretty even with their responses. If you are not liking the after effects I would really consider quitting.


Thank you.

Well, I'm either quitting or stopping for a long time, not sure which yet, but if I tell myself I'm NEVER going to do it again I am less likely to succeed. I'm starting with a month and giving the majority of it to my friend so I don't have as much around and those are my first steps.

I know I need to lower my dose, that's why I asked about potentiators, cause the truth is, at this point, if I take significantly less than 12 grams (more like 11.75 but that's the same really), then I do not get good effects, and so it basically seems pointless.

And for me personally, while others have said a short break of even a few days reset their tolerance, I once stopped for 3 months and my tolerance was only slightly decreased, barely at all, while only when I stopped for 10 months did it go back to 2

(I don't know how much earlier it would have been back to 2 otherwise, maybe 6 months??)

So, yeah, I have no choice but to pretty much stop for like 6 months or maybe only use one day a week at most and I don't know if at those doses if that's still too much.

Just curious, but why did you say to be cautious of caffeine?

It just so happens that I also drink WAY too much coffee and I am also cutting down on that and trying to quit.

This WD is already dissipating after 2 days and should be gone 100% in 2-3, but the question is whether or not I can "chip" indefinitely and really keep my dose low like you forever and only keep it at like 2 days a week, as that is hard for me, and no one can answer that for me I know.

And as for deniers, sorry if I suggested this forum has many as I don't know if that's true as I just joined, but I have seen deniers on Reddit, and far more even on bluelight where I go a lot more often, also in youtube videos.

I think people want to deny any and all negative effects because the government is spreading so much negative misinformation maybe they feel like the only way to balance it out is spread positive misinformation. I guess I can't blame them as what the DEA and FDA are doing is just horrible and I really hope they fail in their attempts at banning Kratom in all other states.
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Worried about potential long term side effects D= 2 months 5 days ago #31693

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Laurie wrote: I have those same side effects and I live with it. Combined with peri-menopause is interesting!

I’ll bet I’m quitting the leaf too soon each evening. That may explain some miserable mornings. I had to cut it off early to avoid insomnia.

I’m going to pay more attention to these same side effects. Do you get the overheated sweating at night?!


I get a little bit but not much and I'm not even sure its' from the Kratom but it could be.

I had thought to answer no but then realized last night I was switching between my air conditoner (In OCTOBER?!?! Yes, in October, I LOVE A.C. Hahaha), and getting too cold, then my fan and too hot...now I know that is consistent with Kratom WD, but it's nothing but a minor annoyance unlike the fatigue.

Usually I don't get much of that.

What i DO get is over heating during the day, mostly cause I drink too much coffee which I am also working to cut back on and eventually quit.

I actually find coffee more problematic than most and find it increases my anxiety, and believe it or not, it truly does raise body temperature, slightly raise blood pressure and heart rate, dehydrate, and cause excess sweating, and that's pretty annoying.
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I DEFINITELY have the unwanted sweating when consuming coffee. But the night sweats are worse. I took stem n vein at bedtime (along with red clover for menopause) and didn’t sweat until my AM coffee.

Also the sweating is bad before/during bowel movements. TMI yes. Bothersome yes.
Not gonna quit over it (I have pain and fatigue issues, health conditions..).

Sounds like you have many similar health conditions except pain. I would not even remember to take my kratom if the pain didn’t announce the need. I would be weaning off also!

I’m glad you brought the subject up so I can pay closer attention to my use of the leaf.
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