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TOPIC: Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently?

Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 2 weeks ago #41998

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I know you meant well Laurie and I may have misinterpreted some things you said.

It was kind of the strictness of saying "you NEED to go to NA" that I kind of didn't really respond so well to, although truth be told I have gone before and I am thinking of going back, and NA and AA have helped so many people, but if I do go back there will be certain people I won't respond to as well, the ones telling me I NEED to be there and accept that I have to give up all substances forever would be the ones I'd tell to politely leave me be and I would spend more time talking to a different sort of person who takes it day by day, and NA like any other group has varieties of different people who attend of course.

Thank you very much for your concern though, and some of things you said I agree with, and I appreciate it.
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 2 weeks ago #41999

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I went back and found the original posts. You are an informed Kratom enthusiast and take personal responsibility.
I think its good that you enjoy kratom certainly has a higher safety profile than other substances.
But I think you found out most of the answers. Your approach of tolerance breaks, starting and stopping is probably the best you going to get from Kratom you can definitely try more of a rotation and the turmeric ginger approach but your body chemistry might be the ultimate determining factor.
I do not think they will be able to isolate any of the alkaloids in Kratom and make anything worth taking, they tried with marijuana and Marinol was very disappointing.
Of these alkaloids www.kratomscience.com/mitragyna-speciosa...m-alkaloids-effects/ I am not convinced that Mitragynine gives me the most benefits
You have Speciophylline, Ajmalicine (Raubasine),Speciogynine= basically they won't be able to create a synthetic alternative to prescribe.


Discussions like these really show how this forum is truly amazing. Supportive, knowledgeable, learning, and mostly free of Feh-Dee-AA trolls unlike reddit.
Although last week I suspected we were hit by one, a new approach too, just a suspicion(loved the way it was handle btw)
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 2 weeks ago #42000

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Thank you, Inaramshead! I really appreciate the opportunity for continued discussion.

What I meant to say is, I don’t know WHY I do NOT abuse kratom. Based on my history with enjoyable (and not so enjoyable) substances. It’s quite bizarre to me that I have not yearned for “more more more” like I do with just about any other substance. Even weed becomes necessary for sleep if I keep it around for “occasional use”. Annoying that I can’t keep it handy.

I really was thinking/sharing more about MYSELF than YOUR particular conundrum. Self centered based fear and/or obsession is on my list of things to work on minimizing.

I’m sorry about my approach. Fortunately, you don’t answer to me or ANYONE else at the end of the day.

I really do have too much passion about the leaf and I’ve been overdramatic in this case and others.

It’s obviously not my place to tell you OR ANYONE what to do. I was actually AFRAID you would not hear that from anyone else. I figured it was worth being found to be an obnoxious, bossy crazy woman to be sure you know what it sounded like - substance abuse.

That said, you are in good company. I don’t think you are really using the leaf recreationally, actually. Your symptoms are not unfamiliar to me! The reasons you find kratom helpful mirror my own. Although I also have chronic pain, I often continue to use the leaf when my pain is well managed (or sometimes not responding to kratom) for the mental health issues you do. The difficulty MANAGING use is the only difference between us. I absolutely sympathize with you!

Fear of losing the only substance that sometimes helps people feel better is unfortunately a reality. Your questions were specifically about how else to manipulate use to get a better buzz. Basically. It’s a good question and people have asked that in many other ways before. Lots of people get PISSED OFF about the leaf limitations you have shared with us. It’s a very annoying feature that kratom cannot really be more enjoyable by using MORE MORE MORE. I can think of very few substances that cannot be overused to the point of consequences physically like kratom. It takes a lot of work to overuse it!

Except you CAN abuse adulterated kratom to a point where you CAN have quite a pickle of a problem to deal with.

I am adamant about not recommending that direction. I do feel as though this symptom relief is TOO IMPORTANT to so many people that we absolutely cannot risk losing it because of abuse. Not for myself. There are people that would NOT be ok without kratom and have zero options as a backup plan. I’ve been miserable for most of my life and lived without it until I discovered it. Thanks to internet discussions being squashed like N Korea now!

I really couldn’t tell if you were aware that you’re asking how better you can abuse the leaf. I could not take the chance that you hadn’t realized that.

I’m so sorry I offended you! You’ve always been enjoyable to correspond with and I absolutely didn’t do it to offend you.

I also agree with you on the fellowship issues you mentioned! I have the SAME PROBLEMS with them. It’s absolutely ridiculous that the one program states “no drugs of any kind”. Although it is in the readings, it’s absurd. I take what I can use from the programs and leave what I can’t - simple as that. I wish more people could overlook the flaws in the programs so they could get the support and love that we all need in life.

Where we get love and support is our business only, though.

I definitely didn’t mean to be preaching fellowships! Perfect adherence to all of the steps and traditions is literally impossible and absurd.

I’m not a preachy person! Live and let live! I’m NOT happy with our social media being censored of all positivity related to kratom and only negative material is still available freely on the internet in THIS COUNTRY :huh: ?!?! So this is one of FEW places where the truth is available for people using the internet looking for help. That’s most people!

Offering suggestions on how better to abuse the leaf is NOT the way to win hearts and minds in politics for our freedom to continue to have access to it.

And, I hate to hear that you’re suffering...and it’s very sad that our mutual suffering being relieved is even at risk! My opinion on your use has been stated already.

I do hope to get an opportunity to try ketamine in my lifetime to see if that substance can offer some help. As a youth, I did try mushrooms but puked and stared in a mirror for 20 hours. LSD gave me a taste of intense paranoia that WOULD NOT STOP. But. Our thoughts on decriminalizing drugs are in unison as well. We have a lot in common and I appreciate your being forthright and honest about your frustrations with the leaf limitations.

I’ve also tried most every other supplement mentioned here. If not all. And a bunch not yet mentioned. I’ve also tried your current pharmaceuticals. And a bunch more.

I’m still not “healed” when kratom is at its best, but it has been the closest I’ve gotten to healthy enough to conduct a “normal” life with SOME joy.

But I have a couple of friends who are NOT enjoying their lives and are quite physically ill as a result of kratom abuse. It’s sad because it’s not doing them ANY GOOD compared to the serious physical health complications they’re enduring to continue using it.

There’s a lot of us suffering out there. Thanks again for allowing me a chance to respond.

Like Nan70, I’ve always enjoyed your participation here and it’s nice to have you back.
Laurie
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 2 weeks ago #42011

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Some of us who have been around the substance abuse spectrum may on occasion sound a little preachy. For me, AA saved me at a very bad time. I don't see eye to eye with every participant or every group, but I appreciated the exposure to so many people who really are sincere in wanting to help.

I've seen many posts on other forums complaining that AA is too preachy, etc. But AA is just a group of people trying to help each other. Like any group of people, it is flawed. But that does not decrease its value. I will always consider it a tool in my life tool box, and I will occasionally recommend it to people.

There are a lot of unknowns for me and Kratom. So far, so good. When I hear about other people's experiences, it is a mixed bag, some talk about withdrawal like it is hell, others say it is like a day without coffee. Kratom is a little lift for me and it helps with pain. I've never tried for anything beyond that, and I don't want to.
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 1 week ago #42161

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I recall a black seed oil I used for these purposes. My results were inconclusive but for shopping variety purposes, it was Amazing Herbs Softgel capsules from Amazon; smile.amazon.com/Amazing-Herbs-Black-Softgel-Capsules/
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 1 week ago #42178

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Laurie wrote: I recall a black seed oil I used for these purposes. My results were inconclusive but for shopping variety purposes, it was Amazing Herbs Softgel capsules from Amazon; smile.amazon.com/Amazing-Herbs-Black-Softgel-Capsules/


Your link was truncated. :(

smile.amazon.com/Amazing-Herbs-Black-Sof...psules/dp/B008P0QMDG

smile.amazon.com/Amazing-Herbs-Cold-Pres...ftgels/dp/B0001CNL1M

Same product, seller, and delivered by Amazon, but one is a little bit cheaper than the other?
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 1 week ago #42200

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Inaramshead-

I hope I didn’t offend you and chase you off. Your question is very helpful to the forum and the discussion is worth having. Hope you’re feeling well.
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Have I ruined Kratom for myself permanently? 4 months 1 week ago #42219

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Quit listening to your head....
That will always tell you .....more is better
This is not so with kratom

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