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TOPIC: Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome

Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43739

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I’m my own special kind of dysfunctional!!! According to some .. master avoider ... With the way I put it is choosing not to get my feathers all ruffled up when I don’t have to! Ha ha Ha
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Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43747

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You are a special gem, that’s for sure! :-bd
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Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43754

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Littlebear3 wrote: Good info. I have recently started switching between strains. Not sure how it is really working yet, but seems to be fine. I don't know that my tolerance was creeping up, or if I just hit a bad stress spell and took an afternoon dose to counter my mood.

I like to feel like I can use an afternood dose as needed without my tolerance creeping up. I am going to order some stem and vein just to be on the safe side. There are a few really lame videos on youtube from folks complaining that they were addicted. However, I cannot help but think they were addictive types looking to just get high. I think the true Kratom community is people like those on this list. We take Kratom as a medicine and manage it just like a med.


Yes Littlebear3 that is the Difference between ILK & other forums. There are no Members that are looking to get high on here. We are taking Kratom to Manage our Health Problems & the Mood Lifting of Kratom is just a Great Side Effect!:-?

It's sad to see the Addicts that can't admit they have a Problem. They are just Lying to themselves. I watch Intervention sometimes & the Families have to make the Person Believe that they Have a Problem. They have make the addict see all the Destruction that the Drugs or Alcohol has caused them.

That was the First Thing I had to do when I was Addicted to Pills was Admit to Myself that I was Utterly Powerless over the Pills. They were Controlling my Life. It wasn't until I found Kratom that I knew I could stop using the Pills. I went through 3 Outpatient Rehabs, One Overdose, & a car wreck. I am Lucky that I am here on ILK Typing to you. I try to Help as many People Learn about Kratom as Possible because Kratom can Help Addicts Save Their Life.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me or make a Post & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can usually within 24 hours if not sooner. I'm usually on really late at night Between Midnight & 5am.
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Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43777

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You're right Marcus,
Until and addict stops lying to themselves, that they don't have a problem, then they will never be healed.

#1 of the 12 steps in celebrate recovery.

We admitted we were powerless over our addictions and compulsive behaviors, that our lives had become unmanageable.

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Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43781

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I'm one those addicts. I started out with a healthy relationship with kratom but went off into the deep end with high dosages. I've never blamed kratom, but I did blame my impulsiveness and lack of control. I don't think we should shame people who "use it for euphoria" or whatever different reason they use it than you. Rather, informing the responsibility of how to use and imo what can happen if you get irresponsible with your use. I think its much healthier for anyone to swallow kratom than to risk their life even picking up their fix in the first place, and risk getting put on jail just to put a dirty needle in their arm. I was always told "less is more" etc. But didn't forsee the consequences of the high doses I was taking (pretty much every thing OPPOSITE of a typical kratom burn). I've effectively cut down and am glad I'm seeing the light and am now working to take the absolute lowest dosages to reap the most benefits. I definitely feel more responsible and respect the plant much more this time around.
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Good point about shaming people.

My posts can be blunt and straightforward but I cannot condone shaming ANYONE.

My apologies to anyone I may have offended unintentionally (never hurts to apologize!).

Judging reason for use is not the goal. Only offering suggestions for proper use for better experiences, ideally.

Thanks for sharing your story, CrayDumb!

I do not appreciate people shaming the entire industry on YouTube, Facebook or social media as a result of their personal misuse. But that’s human nature. I’ll cut back on complaining and stick with being of help if needed.
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Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43791

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I don't understand which post or posts are "shaming" someone for just wanting some "euphoria". :-?

I do see where some recovering addicts talk about their experiences with other addicts who do not want to admit that they are addicts.

IMHO If someone feels shame over what has been posted then maybe that person realizes they may be doing more than just trying to be "euphoric". :unsure:
If someone feels shame at what has been posted then maybe it is a good thing if it makes them take a closer look at why they are taking kratom.

I am a "currently" sober drug addict and alcoholic who for the past 11 years has been helping other addicts in recovery. I think they would all agree that feeling a little shame is better than being or becoming an addict.
I KNOW their parents and grandparents feel that way.

Thanks for letting me share. :dry:

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Laurie wrote: Good point about shaming people.

My posts can be blunt and straightforward but I cannot condone shaming ANYONE.

My apologies to anyone I may have offended unintentionally (never hurts to apologize!).

Judging reason for use is not the goal. Only offering suggestions for proper use for better experiences, ideally.

Thanks for sharing your story, CrayDumb!

I do not appreciate people shaming the entire industry on YouTube, Facebook or social media as a result of their personal misuse. But that’s human nature. I’ll cut back on complaining and stick with being of help if needed.

i personally don't even like the term "shaming" to be honest as i feel like it has a certain connotation nowadays. I just don't think that we should think we're above or below any other kratom user, personally. Sure, some may bad mouth it which I don't condone and i hope won't affect us legally, but from my personal experience, I tend to get blindsided when I let my ego lead me to believe i'm different or better than anyone else. I wasn't sure if that was what this was steering into, and i'm not sure if this is coming across as some hippy bullshit or if anyone can relate to this lol.

Anyway, I never took offense to anything anyone said in this thread, rather felt a need to give my perspective. And Laurie, I don't think anyone minds you giving your perspective (even if disagreed upon) because you don't seem righteous. No need to retract anything if all was well from the beginning :)

edit- it also seems that i'm getting my threads mixed up because i kind of took what someone else said in another thread and thought it was in this one (as shown in my next post)
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Strain Rotation for Strain Stagnant Syndrome 1 month 3 weeks ago #43797

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Tiggermanscrat wrote: I don't understand which post or posts are "shaming" someone for just wanting some "euphoria". :-?

I do see where some recovering addicts talk about their experiences with other addicts who do not want to admit that they are addicts.

IMHO If someone feels shame over what has been posted then maybe that person realizes they may be doing more than just trying to be "euphoric". :unsure:
If someone feels shame at what has been posted then maybe it is a good thing if it makes them take a closer look at why they are taking kratom.

I am a "currently" sober drug addict and alcoholic who for the past 11 years has been helping other addicts in recovery. I think they would all agree that feeling a little shame is better than being or becoming an addict.
I KNOW their parents and grandparents feel that way.

Thanks for letting me share. :dry:

Don

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Littlebear3 wrote:
I like to feel like I can use an afternood dose as needed without my tolerance creeping up. I am going to order some stem and vein just to be on the safe side. There are a few really lame videos on youtube from folks complaining that they were addicted. However, I cannot help but think they were addictive types looking to just get high.<strong> I think the true Kratom community is people like those on this list</strong>. We take Kratom as a medicine and manage it just like a med.


There several types of communities in kratom I guess. I think we may be A kratom community, but not "the TRUE" kratom community. Don't get me wrong, you guys are really nice here and it's probably the best kratom community i've participated in, but I don't like to get involved in the sense of superiority. If that wasn't intention, LittleBear, then ignore my interpretation of that statement. (BTW, is your name based off the Nick jr. show "Little Bear"?)

I also saw a comment earlier from someone who said "The (REAL) kratom users were the ones who use it for medicine and the euphoria and other benefits are just a side effect" (i cannot find the post, it may not even be in this thread and CBA searching it up), which rubbed me the wrong way as well because people are kinda splitting hairs and saying the only legitimate reason to use kratom HAS to be the reason THEY use kratom and that can't be different for anyone else. I personally check absolutely ALL of the boxes with multiple surgeries (including lower back fusion and shoulder) with neck pain, as well as depression AND am an addict with insomnia.....soooooo do those make my reasons "legitimate" enough for everyone?

There is a lot of ignorance with Kratom, yes. I'd still rather inform and support with open arms, even the ignorant ones. It may feel only right to feel a certain way of these people that speak ill of it though due to the potential of it changing the legality of our medicine, so I get it. Everyone deals with things differently.

Like I said, I had a horrible relationship with Kratom and some people just might not be able to have a good relationship with it. A lot of us ARE addicts after all. Maybe our truth isn't their truth and they genuinely shouldn't be taking kratom because they wouldn't be able to control themselves. Just pointing out that not everyone is the same.
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Yes some people will know if they cannot take Kratom responsibly. They will get Side Effects. Kratom will let you know if you are Abusing it. That's what's great about Kratom. Less is more is so True. The lower the dose the better it will work for you but if you are taking bigger & bigger doses all the time then Kratom is not going to work for you like it should because you are not using it responsibly. Just like with anything Use In Moderation.

I don't blame people for taking Kratom for Euphoria. It's just a good side effect of Kratom. I just don't like to use that word because it seems to be connected with Drug Use & Getting High. I would Rather use the Word Mood Lift because Kratom really Lifts your Mood in a More Natural State rather than an Artificial State that is like being High. Kratom will Not get you High by any Means. Kratom is a Subtle Plant like Coffee. Coffee actually has more Energy than Kratom.

I never Shame Drug Addicts because Believe me I was one of the Worst you had ever seen. I was Addicted to being a Drug Addict until Kratom stopped me from that path. I never Judge Anybody because I have a Ton of Faults & Nobody knows what each Person's Life is Like. I really hate it when People Judge other People on how they Look, Act or their Disability. They are Human just like you. We are all Equal no matter what.
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