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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 6 hours ago #44040

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I need some serious advice please. I tried Kratom for the 1st time about 10 weeks ago. I have only ever taken one preparation of it: MIT45. I have never seen the leaf or powder form. I went on YouTube after watching a NetFlix documentary and most were suggesting the extract and touted the brand MIT45 as the best (in terms of manufacturing quality). So that's what I got. I consumed about 1/3 the first time and felt absolutely nothing from it. I was actually kind of annoyed because of all the hype and it was about 20 bucks. A few days later I tried it again but this time took almost a whole bottle and was really surprised how good of a response I got. So I started doing about 1 bottle a day, always once a day...then 2...then 3...then 4. So for the past 8 weeks or so I have been drinking about 3 bottles of MIT45 a day. I stopped about 2 weeks ago for 4 days and didn't notice any withdrawal so I figured I was below the threshold of physiological dependance. I stopped for a few days last week after doing a single shot Monday morning. By Wednesday I was in a world of hell. And I mean rock-solid, hard-core, kill-me-now withdrawal.

Dear friends, I know nothing about Kratom. But I know what opioid withdrawal is. I had to go to a 2 day wedding so I HAD to take some to function. I am in a very bad situation. The fear is real and that can be the worst part. I am really hoping someone here can calm my fear. What the hell should I do? Can you taper off of Kratom? Tapering is awful with any opioid but maybe Kratom is a little bit gentler and kinder than say oxycodone? I can tell you that I got ZERO sleep for 3 days before I finally took some Kratom. I tried clonidine and a benzo and nothing was going to break the withdrawal I felt.

Today I took 1.25 bottles of MIT45. My wife is like super pissed at me, but she's 100% supportive...she just want's me to not be addicted. I don't want to be addicted. If I may write plainly...just how fucked am I?

I am going to taper. No way I can endure withdrawal that bad. And no way am I going to take something like Suboxone to get off of Kratom...that just feels way wrong.

Is Kratom a bit more forgiving when you taper? What the hell is in a MIT45 shot anyway? It feels like I am literally poisoning myself with that dark oil...can I or should I switch to making tea or capsules? I am toxic with this MIT45 stuff.

My only idea right now is to take 1/2 a bottle for a few days and keep reducing over time. But is Kratom a totally different actor than pharmaceutical grade opioids? Is the taper off of Kratom a totally different paradigm than would apply to opioids?

I can't believe that I am spending 100 dollars <em>a day</em> on something I buy at a gas station. Crazy right? I want off. I over did it. I know I will have to pay a price. But I can not function. I am literally unable to go out of the house because I feel so terrible. Clearly I am toxic with this stuff. I think the first thing is to find a dose small enough that I don't get sick or hungover (which is what I think is happening) but large enough to keep me out of withdrawal and then slowly reduce the dose from there.

There has to be other's out there that are buying MIT45 by the case and poring 4 or 5 bottles into their morning smoothie...or am I the only idiot in the world?

Thanks to anyone that might help me formulate a way off of this stuff. A plan is hope, and hope is everything.
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 5 hours ago #44043

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I never heard of of it, It was not mentioned in Leaf of Faith. YouTube was supposed to remove these videos and they have been but that's another story.
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MIT45 is an extract shot. Its 45% Mitragynine tincture.

I would never recommend an extract.
Some forum member here occasionally take an extract. I will allow others with more knowledge to post.

Skipping to the main concern you need to start a taper. This can be done. This is a little out of my personal experience I just wanted to touch base and let you know hold on a little and feedback will come soon. I am going to search to see if I can find relevant information for you. I will post the link if successful.
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 5 hours ago #44044

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, Kraworried!

I’m so sorry to hear about your predicament.

I haven’t got the experience with that sort of product to offer as help.

I’m also unfamiliar with what is in MIT45. I don’t remember seeing that part in the movie. I’m a recovering oxy addict and recovering alcoholic and I do try to warn people about using anything besides leaf product because concentrated forms of the leaf are NOT the same as taking leaf only smaller, a common misconception.

There’s no doubt that you gotta get out of this the same way you got in. Gradually tapering down. Cold turkey is not recommended and clonodine is a SERIOUS blood pressure dropping medication that can probably be harmful if not prescribed for you for this purpose.

I would recommend you make a plan to use less, get stable, then use less, get stable, over time. No shortcuts will be possible without a detox rehabilitation center to get you there medically.

Get your wife involved in supervising your stash and your reduction plan. Have her keep a log to refer to and hopefully you can get weaned down enough to use the leaf product to complete your journey back.

Sorry to hear about this. I’m sure you are not the first person this has happened with because the mainstream media has not been allowing many resources to provide honest and ethical information due to agendas with who makes what. Instead we have a lot of censorship and misinformation and many people try it and ask questions later. Your questions are just SO MUCH LATER. But at least you have found this group!
I’m sure you’ll get some support and advice from others here and we are compassionate and sympathetic to your situation - hope that helps a little.

Definitely discontinue the see-saw plan and start a real plan of reducing your intake with accountability and oversight in the hands of someone you love and trust would not harm you.

Keep posting as you go and we can definitely offer support!
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 4 hours ago #44045

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Kraworried-This forum in non judgmental ask any question you need.
Hi Laurie this product was not mentioned in Leaf of Faith. I think he meant he watched the documentary and then searched on YouTube- great to find out what's wrong with your car or to find instructions to fix home repairs but not good to find information about kratom. We also do not recommend buying from head shops/gas stations.

Not quite your experience but it shows a tapering schedule-
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...our-sweet-spot#43863
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...start=0#.XYlW3ihKiUk
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...start=0#.XYlW3ihKiUk
These links might or might not be useful for you.

If interested we can recommended other botanicals to help in relaxation, sleep, and anxiety you might be feeling.
Like- Akuamma, Kava, Saint John's Wart.
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 4 hours ago #44046

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Hi Nan70! Sending hugs and love to you with all you’re enduring right now,

Thanks for googling MIT45 for us - I was afraid to look! My heart really goes out to you, Kraworried!

But you managed to find some of the most helpful and kind people anywhere here to help see you through this. You will be the expert for helping others avoid this sort of thing very soon.

Patience is required and withdrawal based anxiety is often worse than reality. Easier said than done, I remember well (I did not use kratom for my withdrawal from oxy - although I had tried kratom and even owned some, it didn’t occur to me to use it until after 2 weeks in hello - 12 days I will never forget).

So glad you’re here now!
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 3 hours ago #44047

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So I took what I think is a lot today and I felt great for a couple of hours and now I'm anxiety riddled and almost paranoid. I have to fix this. I am going to stop cold turkey again and take a small amount of benzos (and they're not under my control by the way). I stopped taking Kratom totally about 2 weeks ago for 4 days and had no symptoms...but I did take some benzos (not an abusive amount by the way). I believe not feeling withdrawal gave me a false sense of security and like the tool I am I had to take some more, and some more... I have an extensive history of opioid abuse. And I have now abused Kratom, which is a shame. This is my fault, not Kratom's. Anyway, I am going to see if I can make it a few days without any Kratom. If I can't I am going to see how little I can take to control withdrawal and use that as a base line. I am wondering, and hoping, that the dependency metrics are different for Kratom than opioids, such as it takes longer to develop dependance. Reliable information is scant. I have only been taking Kratom for about 8 weeks...but if I were to substitute any other opioid's use in the same time frame I am sure dependance would arise. BTW, MIT45 was not in the documentary...it was solely a YouTube find. And the "45" mean it's 45% mitragena (I know I totally butchered that spelling). It looks like motor oil, very thick, tastes like the worst thing on earth. I can't believe I have done this. Maybe it's not so bad. I lost control of my life because I did not believe that a natural plant-based anything could actually cause me a problem. Technically, it didn't...I did. But you get my point. The only thing I found that seemed credible was that Kratom hard-core withdrawal is only seen in the extract users. That hurt when I read that one. I have been thought some really bad withdrawal in my life but two days last week were the worst I have ever felt. Maybe it's a hump...get past the first few days and it gets better more quickly than opioid withdrawal. I just went thought this 18 months ago and it almost killed me. 3 or 4 weeks ago I was totally fine and now I can't move. What the hell happened?!?! Sorry for the rant...I just have literally no where to go and no one to talk to.
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 2 hours ago #44049

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Welcome Kraworried,

That sounds pretty unpleasant to go through all of this , I’m so sorry that the product you were/ taking is a powerful concentrated extract....

Get yourself some red Bali ( InSense/ GoldLeaf has a great version) when feeling uncomfortable from lack of the concentrate... take 1-2 tsp of red Bali in some juice with the idea of only taking this when your body requires it ..

You totally got this , you can do it ...
like Laurie suggested , wean down, wean down ....

take powder in place of extract ... be kind to yourself... you didn’t know about the warnings against extract use every day.... please let us know how you are doing and never hesitate to check in and get support or a compassionate ear to ( internet ear lol) listen to your challenges!!

Really be good to yourself , this is rough but you can get out of it with a mindful taper and determination
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 1 hour ago #44050

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Thanks so much for helping me. I know this site isn’t focused on abuse and associated problems so it’s really kind of you all to help.

I really really like the idea of tea and powder. My question is: do you mean to take the powder/tea form while I’m still taking the extract for taping? Or do you mean to stop the extract and begin taking powder? I love the idea of taking a less processed for and using that to taper with.

My guess would be the highest strength of the powder would be below the lowest strength of the extract. It’s really a tincture by the way, to be specific. Anyway, could someone advise me what to get, where to get it, and how to take it? I know that this is just advice and not health care information. I’m just a bit freaked out and not really functioning well at all. Would it be possible to make strong tea and just make it weaker and weaker as time goes on? I have to stop doing these K-Shots. I literally feel they are poisoning me. Not to mention that they’re 20 dollars each and I have done 5 and even 6 a day. Mostly around 3 per day.

I would like to switch to a potent tea or powder mix in that could quell withdrawal and isn’t so toxic like this MIT45.

Is there a blend better suited for me need? And the shops I get my extract from sell the powder. I wrote “gas station” and although it’s true that you can get MIT there I usually get it from these 2 shops near my house. These shops are super nice places. Excellent people. They’re bong shops (you can age me from that statement). I am saying that I trust them. They are honest. Maybe get something from them now and then order a lager amount from a distributor? I would love it if a cup of tea twice a day got me off this stuff. Maybe one day I can take it responsibility. I am a chronic pain patient.

Thanks again. You folks are really nice and I appreciate it.

Has anyone ever heard of someone having an adverse reaction to Kratom? I ask because last night and tonight I had what I can only describe as a panic attack feeling. Both times were following doing a shot (that’s a poor choice of words, sorry) downing a liquid extract shot. Like the euphoria turned into dysphoria. I have felt this from opioids a long time ago. If I stop I’m screwed and if I take it I’m screwed. I have never been to a rehab and I not letting an over the counter plant extract be the reason I go to one after all I have been through.

I ramble...so sorry. Advice on what to get, how much to get, how much and how often to take is greatly appreciated. Just remember I have been chugging these shots for at least 60 consecutive days. I am an idiot.
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 1 hour ago #44052

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My thoughts are start cutting your extract dose a little every 2-3 days ... while stretching each lowered dose longer and longer a part from eachother.. in between or even in total replacement of extract.. take kratom leaf

After a few days / week of tapering and stretching out your dosing... take only powder ... your body will slowly but surely get back to where you can manage your chronic pain with only leaf... and not very much of it .... vow never to end up like you did with Extract by only taking the amount needed to find relief...

I used to take 3 tsp 3-5 x a day
I take a third less now ... 2 tsp and get very good results..
With kratom less is more and too much will bring side effects and the better qualities of kratom will be diminished.....

So taper, stretch out your doses more and more in between each one ... skip doses of extract for leaf ...
After a bit stick to only leaf and keep it minimal to get the most out of its benefits !!!

These out my thoughts based on what I know and from reading others experiences here

Kratom help me get off antidepressants, anxiety medicine..
Used to always welcome opiates now I could care less ..

All because kratom when not taken in excessive amounts can help sooooo much!!!

Like any good thing. Too much/..=bad thing

And know that you don’t have to be all or nothing , just mindful and eyes on the prize ... balance, moderation ...

Also look into other herbs for your pain... ones I want to try are incarvillea sinensis , corydalis . Chuchuhuasi

Akuamma can be of great help too... CBD amd turmeric for inflammation if that's part of your pain...

So my brother ...
lift your head up, feel empowered because you have the tools to get you out of this predicament.... the irony is that it’s the same thing that got you here, but not the same ... herbs like kratom are a godsend ... but concentrate it and use regularly .... quickly becomes the devils side kick!!

Stay away from gas station and head shop kratom, look at reviews here ...

Lots of recommendations for quality reasonably priced ..

If you still are struggling after all said and done ... there’s ways to ease into stopping kratom all together... be honest with yourself and know what you want ...
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MIT45 - I think I'm in trouble. 1 month 1 hour ago #44053

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You might be interested in the some of the science behind Kratom. The extract you are talking is a singled out alkaloid. Unadulterated kratom (non extracts, non enhanced) has many alkaloids. I am taking Kratom for spinal arthritis I do not think I would get benefit from one singled out alkaloid. The anti inflammatory properties in unadulterated kratom work for me, stress relief is added plus.
www.kratomscience.com/mitragyna-speciosa...m-alkaloids-effects/

usually get it from these 2 shops near my house. These shops are super nice places. Excellent people.

We usually do not recommend head shops-(you're a baby boomer or a gen x :-bd ) most of the time it depends on their source, kratom vendors selling only botanicals and kratom put tremendous effort in sourcing and testing. Your bong shop could have good powder its that we do not recommend them in general.

Try your best to do a taper. I hope others might address the benzo topic, I am thinking it might be best to try to taper off the extract using pure leaf kratom. Gather all of our suggestions read more information about kratom before you make a decision.

Its hard to recommend strains. But I would stick to single strain before mixes. Try Reds for withdrawal relief. Do not take anything together alternate times between anything you are taking please.
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