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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44076

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Hi all, I posted several months ago about kratom for daytime fatigue, but had to stop after a week because I found a psychiatrist. Unfortunately they'll throw any drug at me but Modafinil (which AFAIK has one of the lowest risks for dependency in drugs with stimulating effects), so I'm back to trying kratom again.

I did end up ordering from Insense and got my order in about 2-3 days (I'm in a similar area of CA to where they're located heh). Have been working on my toss n wash technique but honestly, I get nervous thinking "I need to swallow before I taste the kratom" and my brain goes "well now I will not do it".

OK so the questions:
- What would you recommend to mix kratom with if I want to just drink it? Non-dairy and unfortunately nut products and most fresh fruits (like orange for OJ) are out thanks to allergies.
I think I'm one of those people who are extra sensitive to bitter taste :( Can't seem to get hyperlink to work but if you're interested, there's some cool science about it: www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition...ster#characteristics

- Yesterday I dosed in the evening (before food) with 1.5g white borneo and felt nothing, today in the morning I dosed 1.5g white MD and got so nauseous I had to take zofran to avoid throwing up and wasting the kratom I paid money for, lol. What's up with this? I'm guessing the strain doesn't make *that* much of a difference, am I just too sensitive to take kratom before eating? Or could there be something else I need to do to avoid getting nauseous?
Oh man I can feel the buzz in my head and arms haha. I'm probably rambling since I got more energy but still have untreated ADHD :P

- for strain switching to avoid tolerance, does it work if you switch between strains of the same color? I got a sample pack from Insense so I have 1 green and 2 whites (+ the freebie, also white strain). I don't really have a need for red kratom since I'm already too tired all the time.
PS. thank you Laurie for suggesting to also try green and not just white, way back on my first thread. The green MD was actually very stimulating for me.

- one more! How long does the stimulating effects of white and green kratom last? At a glance it seems it has a longer half-life than caffeine, which is known to disrupt your sleep because of its long half-life. Would I have problems if I dose in the evening?

I'm sorry if my replies are delayed, it's that ADHD + already burnt out in college right now. Thank you if you read my oh-boy-the-kratom-is-working ramble post.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44078

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Hey! As far as drinking it's hard to say if everything fruity and dairy is out of the question. Most juice has fruit in it. Have you looked into oblate discs? They are very simple and easy for dosing and you don't taste a thing!

Kratom usually works best on an empty stomach so it sounds like that is the biggest difference between the two doses. If you are nauseous, it is too much for you.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44085

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I think I'm one of those people who are extra sensitive to bitter taste


I am the weirdo opposite of that I can drink akuamma powder(have been told its the most vile bitter botanical-I guess I have a super power) in plain water with no problems. And yes I have a great palate and I never smoked to dull any taste buds.

for strain switching to avoid tolerance, does it work if you switch between strains of the same color?


I only take Green Strains during the day I switch the same color. They are also from 4-5 different vendors
Like This-
Monday- Green Cambodian (Pa botanicals)
Tuesday-Green Sundra (old school Re-leaf)
Wednesday- Green Malay(Pa Bot,)
Thursday- Green Zareena (So-cal)
Friday- Green Hulu or Raiu (from Insense)
and so on I might repeat back to Monday's or rotate 2 or three other greens that I have samples of.

I switch colors at night I will only take Red strains and rotated the same as above. I am sure it helps with tolerance, I also take turmeric daily. I think I did this more from boredom and the fun it adds to otherwise boring daily tedious 24/7 pain management.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44087

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Coconut milk is great if you can handle it. Additionally, coffee is good with stevia and non dairy creamers, I routinely make a kratom chai latte.

If you've had a lot of black pepper, turmeric, citric acid, of fatty foods, the kratom can get potentiated and give you that feeling. Though it is always best to do it after eating. The strain and strength could be different, some maeng das far exceed strengths of borneos, I suspect that is the case. Perhaps you need 2g white borneo for a dose and 1.2 WMD.

Yes, switch strains even if same color help with tolerance, as the primary and secondary alkaloids often change with each strain. The half-life of kratom is usually 5 hours or so, so at the 4 hour mark you should feel effects start tapering. I have felt effects up to 8 hours later, remember the half life is for half the alkaloids to leave your system, it takes a long time for all to go (5 days roughly). Dosing in the evening calls for a sedative red.

I hope this helps. Feel free to PM me if you have other questions.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44093

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hey stillsleeping!

to start I would try either a green you got or blend the green with a little white. typically helps it last longer (4-6) depends on person, strain, company and dose effectiveness. there are some reds I can take during the day that don't sedate me but its not many. that is so personal on which work that way with some and not others.. but I will blend in a bit of red for my day dose for a bit of pain relief.

right now I have my morning dose in refrigerated watermelon juice I bought in a glass bottle. helps with effectiveness if you let it sit at least a few min. I just give it a gentle shake before I chug. a good fancy apple works good too. so does peach strawberry. I have reflux issues with citrus so I get it. ill even add food grade essential oils just a few drops. it makes both taste better! you can even get those juice shelf concentrates like mango and dilute it. I have tried kratom in oat milk and no Bueno! it got super thick and almost lumpy. lousy idea!

and no I would not dose a white or green after a certain time. like 5-6 hrs or a bit more before your normal bed time. unless you try a traditional relaxing red or nighttime herbals (corydalis, wild lettuce, skullcap ect ) but everyones reactions can be different. don't be afraid to ask!
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44096

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I was just thinking something like that would be great, I saw a reddit post where they recommended their method of folding kratom in toilet paper and swallowing it LOL. Thank you!
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44097

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Oh no, good to hear oatmilk doesn't work because I do get that from time to time. Kratom has mixed OK with ricemilk for me, but since I like ricemilk for the mild flavor to begin with, it doesn't do that much to cover up taste. Sadly I'm also allergic to watermelon and mango, but I think peach/strawberry/apple are OK so I will look around for those :)
Thanks for the 5-6 hr time estimate, sounds like a good rule of thumb.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44098

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Hm I'll try tracking white borneo doses vs white MD to see if that's the case, I didn't expect that just a strain change could make such a big difference.
Btw, I think I would go bouncing off the walls if I took kratom with coffee! Is caffeine a potentiator too or no? I've had success mixing kratom with literally a pinch or two of dried instant coffee powder, but I am very sensitive to caffeine for whatever reason.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44099

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Have you ever tried Rhodiola, standardized for salidrosides (the more energizing element)?

Bit of a coincidence that you mentioned Modafinil, as on Monday I ordered Adrafinil, which the liver (hopefully) metabolizes into Modafinil.

Reputedly not as powerful, but nowhere as coo-coo for cocoa-puffs expensive either, though still not cheap. I've got a bottle of 90 capsules, 300 mg. each, that the UPS lists as "Shipment Received, Package Acceptance Pending" through its tracking software. Well known company I've dealt with before, so I'm pretty sure it will be here by Saturday or Monday. $59.95 with free shipping, which is an ouchie, but afaik that's the best price around, and the powder is only marginally cheaper.

Modafinil is prescription, and the prices I saw were lol level. Acetyl L-Carnitine might also offer a brain boost, and the powder can be cheap. I've got a big bag of Rhodiola that is proving hard to kill. :) I believe in tasting the herbs we take, and Rhodiola is what I'd describe as Espresso extract's street tough, older brother, in terms of taste. ;) It has a real "authority", and imo the taste does set the stage for a powerful effect. It too is cheap when buying powdered, in bulk.

Modafinil Prices

This modafinil price guide is based on using the Drugs.com discount card which is accepted at most U.S. pharmacies. The cost for modafinil oral tablet 100 mg is around $182 for a supply of 30 tablets, depending on the pharmacy you visit. Prices are for cash paying customers only and are not valid with insurance plans.


Ooh, I take Noopept and Aniracetam as as well, and they can be brain stimulants. The Noopept powder is cheap, and the dose is just 10 mg. Gotta keep it away from moisture or it clumps, though it breaks up again very easily. Aniracetam is reasonable as well. I had to dial back to one dose a day of that as it was keeping me too alert at night if I took a second dose. Noopept is mellow, and is even reputed to help with anxiety.

I'm also taking fasoracetam, and I think I can now attest to the widely held principle that you need choline when taking racetams/nootropics or you get a headache, and are cheating yourself. I've been spooning away the sunflower lecithin as I want to balance out the choline with inositol, but I bit the bullet and also ordered a bag of Alpha GPC from Amazon on Monday, as that's supposed to a form of choline that really gets to the brain and does other magic. I think it's the Anracetam that really causes a need for choline, as supposedly fasoracetam works differently.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniracetam

www.braintropic.com/nootropics/noopept/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasoracetam

Anyway, best track record, bang for the buck, reliability of effect, would have to go to Rhodiola. I can't in good conscience vouch for the rest. Lol, so you can pretty much ignore all of the above, except for the part about Rhodiola.

I got the 500 gram bag of Rhodiola Extract, 3% Salidroside, and even using one double dose in the morning, I get 1250 servings. Regular servings would up that to 2500. Without subscribe and save it's $42.96 ($2.44 / Ounce). They have smaller sizes.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 2 months 1 week ago #44100

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Thanks for pinpointing the cause of headaches with adrafinil, Babel-17! My nerves SOMETIMES go crazy with adrafinil and other times, not so bad. Those headaches turned mine into a dust collection of experiments gone bad but not given up on - in another box near the kratom ZAPS stash.

I would offer you mine, but I would not recommend passing along used bottles that have been opened. I’m glad to hear that headache antidote should I need to try it again. It did really help for energy when I was detoxing off opiates, but I could have used kratom if my thinking were straight at the time.

I actually emailed an inquiry to a vendor about the status of my order and found it had been delivered 14 days ago and would have been handy to use (it was lying on a shelf in my detox room the entire time).

I definitely sympathize with those experiencing weaning down and detoxing on so many levels. Lack of proper processing thoughts is so degrading and frustrating. I STILL get PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms) now and then - including the past month. On my 3rd year clean! Horrible.

I apologize to everyone. It affected a lot of things and people, unfortunately. Nobody understands its PAWS at this point unless they’ve been there.
It’s not over but I’m feeling a bit better. Packed my coconut oil and kratom for transport to pug house in the morning!
Laurie
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