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Hello I am new to the Kratom Forum and had found the benefits of Kratom earlier in the summer of this year 2019. I was tapering Tramadol and I was using Kratom to help with the withdrawals. I cut down from 800mgs of Tramadol to 400mgs by adding 1 tsp of Kratom twice per day. I felt pretty good but stopped Kratom recently and had two weeks of withdrawal symptoms, that seemed pretty bad especially the exhaustion I felt. I am back to normal again just taking the 400mgs of Tramadol daily however I would like to try the tapering again. This time I know I cannot just stop taking Kratom without a tapering schedule. Most people on this forum here seemed to have started taking Kratom after quitting opioids completely. My question has anybody included Kratom along with their taper of opioids and how did that work out for you. Thank you if your replying. BF
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Hey there BF !!

Nice to have you here .. !! Best darn dang forum for kratom you Could have stumbled upon :whistle:

Many folks have gotten off opiates using kratom using a tapering and replacement regimen.... tapering off kratom can be done by lowering your dose periodically and by supplementing With kratom stem and vein( which has similar alkaloids but in different ratios ) Also using other herbs like hirsuta and javanica ( both in the same family as kratom but with different alkaloids... none of these two have mitragynine or 7-hydroxymitragynine.... I have personally only taken a few days off from kratom in the 2 years I’ve been utilizing it for chronic pain/ anxiety and depression....but what helped me and worked very well was taking Akuamma , aside from feeling less energized I didn’t feel any WD’s .... some herbs I’m interested in trying but have yet to do so is Rhodiola extract and cats claw extract .... I’ve come to understand that Rhodiola can help give good energy while cats claw has a way of lowering tolerance to kratom so that may help in The tapering process .... this is all info I’ve gathered but not personally have done myself ( aside from the Akuamma which really was helpful and effective )

Kratom is a very safe and benign herb but like anything in life if you have taken for a while your body chemistry will have adjust to that intake Or lack of and there will be a period of readjusting with out it !

More folks with better personal experience in these matters I’m sure will chime in ....

Kratom is what’s helped me gain Back quality of life so I’m in this for the long haul ... I’d suggest getting completely off opiates and then embark upon tapering kratom if that’s your goal .... but first things first ... getting off the opiates is the first goal.. and you can def do that and def can make tapering off kratom much easier process than Not by being mindful of the goal , the amount your taking and the frequency that your taking it ... other herbs I mentioned could be of great help in the process of doing that .!!

Happy to have you and you’ll be getting more info from all the lovely folks here... all very supportive and caring people

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hi BF!

happy to have you here. I have not had similar experiences. used to take 50 mg tramadol got 45 of them for 6 months. wasn't enough but kratom has far exceeded my pain relief. im sorry you had such bad w/ds from stopping kratom. that's rare for a small dose!

I take a significantly larger dose and take at least 2 days a week off from it all together. I still take akuamma, Incarvillea and corydalis or skullcap at night but im fine, no w/ds.

either way im sure there are more knowledgeable people to help. I know mind over matter and if you want to do it you will make it true. it sounds like you found a dose that works for you. as long as you rotate strains and companies you will be fine!
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Look into black seed oil, and ginger extract. Agmatine powder can also be useful.
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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, BF!

Don’t forget that tramadol is a serious pharmaceutical and definitely follow physician instructions on weaning off. Kratom can be a wonderful tool for this task, or after, or rotating, etc.
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Thank you for your responses and suggestions for other herbs. Can you help me in locating more information on links I can go to for how to replace opioids by using Kratom as this is my main goal for now. I can get into the more dynamic use for Kratom with pain, depression and lack of sleep that is available in this forum as all of these items are something I deal with on a regular basis. I am still a little worried about cross tolerance, by adding Kratom to my daily scheduled intake with Tramadol wish I could just stop this awful drug (Tramadol) as in has taken its toll in my life. Cheers
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Good morning , I’d type up “ getting off opiates “ in the search bar of this forum .. for reading advice and personal accounts

My understanding is that you continue to taper your tramadol and perhaps replacing one dose of tramadol with kratom a day ....

until your tram levels get lowered you won’t feel everything kratom has to offer .... but for now the best you can ask for and most get is help from WD symptoms which is historically what it’s has been used for ....

I’m not a doc and I can only relay what I’ve read other members doing in the same situation as you .... this is what makes sense ... every few days to a week lower your tram some .... once a day substitute tram with kratom .. keep going until your tram levels are significantly lowered based on doctors protocol...take it easy in your yourself ...making it as comfortable as you can with the process .... use kratom more... as often as needed to get relief ... when experiencing WD .... Bomalley will have more to add to this conversation....

I’m sure you’ll get some more tips , but the main gist of it is keep lowering opiate levels ... the lower the opiates in your system the more you’ll feel the full spectrum of kratom , the main thing for now is to abate the WD and that’s what kratom can and will def do ... you got this ... anything that comes up health wise that is red flags , consult a doc to make sure all is well and just part of the elimination process!!! Good luck, many have done what your are doing,be safe

Ultimately follow docs Recommendations for tapering like Laurie pointed out .. be safe .. be smart ...take good care .. not somthing you want to bang out .. kratom can help ... def follow doc procedure for weaning .. this is going to be a process that takes time !!!!
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BF wrote: Hello I am new to the Kratom Forum and had found the benefits of Kratom earlier in the summer of this year 2019. I was tapering Tramadol and I was using Kratom to help with the withdrawals. I cut down from 800mgs of Tramadol to 400mgs by adding 1 tsp of Kratom twice per day. I felt pretty good but stopped Kratom recently and had two weeks of withdrawal symptoms, that seemed pretty bad especially the exhaustion I felt. I am back to normal again just taking the 400mgs of Tramadol daily however I would like to try the tapering again. This time I know I cannot just stop taking Kratom without a tapering schedule. Most people on this forum here seemed to have started taking Kratom after quitting opioids completely. My question has anybody included Kratom along with their taper of opioids and how did that work out for you. Thank you if your replying. BF


Welcome to the team! Glad you've made it here.

It is great that you are tapering you Tramadol, but taking with kratom runs a risk of interactions that are unpleasant. I would advise that is usually one of the other with kratom and opioids. I have many friends that have cut everything out and only use kratom with great results. I know others that were unable to make the transition. The best thing you can do is try to continue to taper until unbearable. It will be tough, but not impossible. You could also try to just use kratom singularly, as I think you'd be surprised at how it would help overcome the withdrawal.
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Welcome BF!! :-h
You've found the absolute best place to learn what you need to about withdrawal and kratom use! :-bd

I would have told you everything that you already have been told (but I'm not that smart). :lol: :silly:

Don aka cuckoo head (or is it the other way around.) :-?
My Grandkids say I’m a cuckoo head. ;)
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That’s right Shaun!! Specifically with tramadol mixed with kratom might pose a bad interaction together ... because if the nature of tramadol... with traditional opiates... not the same specific interaction possibilities ... proceed with caution BF !! I think what shaun suggested is the best route my friend
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