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New to Forum 3 weeks 6 days ago #45367

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Thank you all for the advise I'm pretty sure that I cannot just replace stop Tramadol all at once as historically this had proved impossible. I think I will try to cut the dose in half tomorrow which would be 100mg EX twice per day. Then try dosing Kratom 1 tsp 4 to 5 times per day and see how that works. I understand the cautions people are giving as no one wants to prescribe Kratom at this point in time. Bit of a rush I'm sure but I would like to speed up the process of withdrawal as quickly as possible. The Tramadol is extended relief tablets so I hope the slow release will not be too complex in cross tolerance. Forgive my straight forwardness at this point as I am trying to establish some feedback along with my trial of what might work as I feel pretty alone in my battle at the present time. Thank you; BF
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Hi BF,

Is there a reason for the urgency over the situation prior to the urgency?

A lot of people have been successful with this process, but not until they are mentally ready. Once you have a plan, it’s not an instant fix like super glue. But it need not be complicated or all encompassing.

Rotating kratom in with a slow wean is done with much success once there is commitment.

Good luck! Keep us posted on how you are and how we can help!
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I have not experienced any Kratom withdrawal. I stopped for about three days when hospitalized with pneumonia and recently i stopped for three days just to see what would happen. I did not experience anything other than an increase in my back pain. I compensated with a cup of coffee in the morning and increasing my doses of ibuprophen and diclofenic. .
I have no history with any opiate so I suspect that may be part of the reason that I have no withdrawal with Kratom. I don't know the science, but I do wonder if having an opiate addiction changes the brain in a way that makes Kratom behave differently.
I take two grams in the morning, sometimes less, and occasionally I take a gram in the afternoon. But one thing is sure, Kratom is a God send that I don't want to be without.
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I feel like we are (individually) the best at knowing when somthing is awry.. being attentive while pursuing the taper arnd adding of kratom is def needed ... I can completely empathize when you say you feel alone .... we are here to support you and your betterment of health ... we are here for you BF !!(L) Please keep us posted on your progress, be safe , be strong !!
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Yes I suppose some of the answers ring true. I guess I should not be in any hurry to rid myself of the negative path of choosing an opioid drug as a way of dealing with many things including depression. This must be obvious if even on a blog people are picking up on this. I have re-stabilized on Tramadol again and need to take a really slow taper hoping for a good out come down the road. I know that many people have made the jump straight to Kratom but I tried and it does not seem possible with me.

I do have a question has anybody felt upper GI pain while taking Kratom. I think my intestines are irritated by something, not sure at this time if Kratom has anything to do with this. Not asking for a diagnosis just if someone has experienced this while taking Kratom and what if anything did they do about it. Thank you for replies I am happy that I can vent a little and hopefully find the relief that many have had with Kratom. Cheers
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Hey BF, kratom can cause some irritation in some folks GI, it’s plant matter/ fiber ... and people have varying levels of sensitivity to it ... it’s totally possible that it causing some upset ... for people who have a hard time digesting kratom leaf, they make tea and have a much easier time since it’s lacking the the actual leaf ..

Always keep hydrated regardless of what form you take kratom .... eat a healthy diet if possible , and move around/ get physical if your able to... help move things in your GI tract...

So yes , kratom can be upsetting to your stomach , and maybe tea is worth a try ..?

In a personal note for me ... I use kratom for chronic pain
( spinal degenerative disease) and depression and anxiety..
It helps me tremendously, so much I’m really still in disbelief even two years later ... Im no longer taking any meds ... but I feel strongly that taking your time will be a much kinder and gentler approach to Xing out tramadol!!

Good luck friend (L)
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hey bf,

its not uncommon at all. it gave me stomach cramps in the begging and I split the doses up to tackle that issue. its a lot of fiber to ingest at once like somethingscared said. its ground leaf. reds also 'bound me up' so to speak as well in the beginning. so yes good diet and lots of water does help.

I have osteoarthritis and pretty bad plantar faciitis and im a chef.. so im on my feet all day. I never knew I could find something better than tramadol so I know its possible. granted my doc was tightwadded and I only took 100 g max but still only gave me minor relief.

the 'opioid epedemic' didn't start itself. we all just want to be able to work, and live a reasonable life. im not running a marathon any time soon but honestly kratom has improved the condition of my life. didn't think it was possible.
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BF,

Please don’t take it personally that we recognize the situation so well from a blog post. Serious familiarity is the reason! You are among others with similar challenges!

There could definitely be issues with plant material digestion, so the best suggestions are posted. Along with this bit of advice: take it slow. That applies to making changes with medication as well as adding botanicals perhaps in exchange for the medication. Gradual changes and patience are required. Having the same issues as you, I can identify with the wish to be “better” SOONER, but self acceptance and knowing you’re not doing so bad now might be of help. It helps me!

Let us know how you wish to start and we can be supportive along the way. No sense in trying changes alone!
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When doing a toss and wash I always use a good amount of water that I added powdered citric acid to.

Imo that helps with breaking down the plant matter that is Kratom powder. Obviously too much acid in the stomach can be bad, so I only use a moderate amount, and I don't hesitate to drink more liquid if I think that's needed.

Citric acid is not something you want parking on the enamel of your teeth. It's a natural substance, it's in all citrus juice, and many prepared beverages and mixes, but is still an acid that will eat at tooth enamel.

So I don't brush my teeth right before using it, as that takes all the natural biofilm off my teeth, and I rinse my mouth thoroughly afterwards. It's easy to do, and it helps getting my money's worth from my Kratom powder, and avoiding digestion problems. I also take some oil at the same time, so maybe that soothes my stomach, as well as helping to move the essence of the Kratom powder into my bloodstream.

I bought a big bag of Citric acid from Amazon, and it's cheap. I also mix it into my household cleaners. It's currently out of stock, but the bag I have has barely been dented even after seven months. Five pounds, and I paid just $14.49, total, for it.

So I guess a one pound bag should be doable for everybody. I just a sixteenth of a teaspoon/adjust to taste. If it makes my mouth really pucker then it's too much, and I dilute it. I look for roughly the acidity I'd find in unsweetened grapefruit juice.

If your stomach precludes acidic products, then stay away from this.

Ooh, here's a reputable company that has it: smile.amazon.com/Granules-Anthonys-Non-G...vative/dp/B01H0WI8CC

Five pounds though, and that's a LOT. $14.79
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I can't edit my above post anymore, but here's an excellent deal ($8.49 ) on a two pound bag that has a ton of 5 star reviews: smile.amazon.com/Milliard-Citric-Acid-Po...RIFIED/dp/B00EYFKM32
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