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TOPIC: Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban

Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban 2 weeks 5 days ago #45615

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First of all: I'm 100% in support of kratom research. Science is an unbiased tool that can offer us many wonderful insights. Science could help us find amazingly beneficial insights into kratom that would be useful to us all. Unfortunately, human beings -the one's who utilize science- ARE biased and have their own special interests. That's what brings me to posting this today...

Recently, I saw a video of the undisputed leader in US kratom research(and, perhaps, the world), Dr. McCurdy, being interviewed, and some of the things he was saying made me feel a bit uneasy. I have doubted how much pharmaceutical research into kratom would actually help keep kratom in its natural form readily available to us all, but now, more than ever, I am worried that this research might end up being the backbone of a kratom ban, or extreme kratom regulation that only pharmaceutical companies could afford to pass.

Basically, it seems that the researcher(s)(primarily Dr. McCurdy in this case) are hoping that THEY will be able to become the gatekeepers to quality, pharmaceutical grade kratom or some offshoot of kratom. This would be a huge score for them and it is easy to justify when they are imagining the dollar signs and fame that would come with spearheading a successful, revolutionary movement in medicine that can bring benefit to many people. However, this is only possible if they ban kratom, or at least make it nearly impossible for non-pharmaceutical companies to keep up with the regulations and costs that would accompany such a change in policy.

I hope that was clear... Maybe I am just a bit paranoid, but I wanted to see if any of you have thought about this and what your thoughts and insights are on this particular topic. Honestly, overall, I am optimistic about the future of kratom. This just seems particularly dangerous, because so many kratom advocates support kratom science, but, as we all know, science is a tool that can be used to serve special interests through doctored findings, statistics, etc. I wish I had more time to clarify my concerns, point by point, but I do have to get back to work, haha. Thanks guys and gals!:-h
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Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban 2 weeks 5 days ago #45616

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Brother Taylor !!!

Thx for the info , and great to see you here !!

I haven’t followed very close to the present status of the big pharma to have a solid comment on your post , but everything surrounding the pharmaceutical industry and their attacks or attempt at monopolizing kratom always gives me uneasiness... I hope that they still are unable to patent the natural plant , which is where all the various alkaloids in the profile that nature engineered , but was under the impression that they could possibly patent a analog of kratom and tweak it in the laboratory, making a patent out of that ... maybe some folks would like that option, but I feel most who are familiar in the ways of kratom use will prefer the natural form we know and love ..and that’s probably why the big efforts to schedule kratom come into play ... cause they( pharma ) isn’t making money off of it !

I surely don’t know enough on these matters , need to get caught up on the recent news / science / politics...

I’m gong to keep doing what I can and sign all the petitions to keep our kratom accessible and safe for consumption..

Thx for doing what you do Taylor , much Respect !! Love your products !!(L) :) I’ll be revisiting your varieties in the near future ..!!..!!..

Take care my friend
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Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban 2 weeks 3 days ago #45680

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Hey Brother!

Yes, all we can do is keep doing our best to let our voices be heard in whatever way(s) we are able.

Thanks for replying to my post :) Look forward to hearing from you soon, my friend!
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Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban 2 weeks 3 days ago #45683

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McCurdy is not the only scientist doing research on kratom. The American Kratom Association (AKA) has an alternative scientist doing presentations ON THE SCIENCE in various counties and even countries. Hatterfield, I believe. You might find more encouragement by checking out that website and the science being presented at www.americankratom.org
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Thank you Laurie :-bd
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:-h Thanks, Laurie! Yes, I am very grateful for the work that the AKA is doing, from the science to the lobbying to the grass roots movements/advocacy, and more.

Overall, I am optimistic, but I just became a little worried after hearing McCurdy mention his hopes for kratom's future pharmaceutical applications. He was characterizing kratom powder as more potent, and perhaps dangerous, than the kratom tea used in Southeast Asia. Essentially, the solution he mentioned in the interview was to create a pharmaceutical grade kratom that could be better controlled. I had heard him hint at things in the past and show interest in potential patents, but I never heard him speak as clearly as he did in this interview about his wishes to see kratom (from as far as I could tell) become a pharmaceutical(sort of like medical marijuana -that was the sense I got).

I am located in Florida and I know that he has a nice sized kratom operation at UF and has received quite a bit of money to do his research. I just hope he doesn't become corrupted... I used to wonder why the AKA didn't team up with him, but now, perhaps, I am realizing why, :silly: haha. A little late to the game, huh? ;)

Thanks for all the support and information, guys!(c) (L)
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Yeah, it’s a interesting time with the special interest groups surrounding kratom ... we need to keep our eyes open while being active.... and sticking together through all the challenges, power in numbers for sure , keeping up to date is something I’m gonna attempt to be better with ...

I’m interested in Dr . Mccurdys patch of kratom .... hope his research is beneficial for everyone !! I hope so !!:) (L) B-)
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Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban 2 weeks 9 hours ago #45816

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Research? Absolutely!
We are fortunate to live in a country where we can share any and all information we choose. Unfortunately that does also allow for an unlimited level of manipulative propaganda. Yea, I am, somewhat, a conspiracy theorist. I have spent enough time researching the trends in FDA regulations & plausible connections to the pharmaceutical companies. Of course, there is no concrete proof this exists, but trends in unsafe drugs reaching the consumer market & later being removed would tend to differ. What I have discovered is the research studies found published in the UK seem to be unbiased. I just got a look at a study a few years back that was awesome. It did however, reach publication about the same time or FDA attempted to place a Class 1, controlled substance label on Kratom products. There is a significant benefit to our capitalist driven society, which I believe had strong influences in keeping the ban from succeeding. Kratom had already built a strong & profitable industry here. Plus it was supported by a solid number of companies and their supporters for keeping a natural, organic product with untapped health potentials on the market. Go us!! Here’s what I have concluded.

Kratom deaths are a farce. The only documented cases involved other drugs & or alcohol which they attempted to claim the kratom made fatal. Firstly there has yet to be established, a baseline, level of kratom & it’s primary alkaloids which can be labeled as dangerous. No one truly knows. Also the methods of testing human tissues for it’s content have yet to be established as well. In Asian countries where Kratom leaves have been consumed for 200+ years there appears to be no documented deaths where kratom was labeled as the cause. Thus it is most likely do to the fact that no one was looking for a deliberate reason to place the blame there. Even though it was banned in these areas it still continued to be available, mostly and accepted as a means to increase productivity among adult male laborers for reducing fatigue & increasing productivity. The ban was weekly enforced & no one died.

All the current research only consistently indicates one thing. Abusing its use can lead to liver failure. In a fair majority of those cases, other non organic compounds, added, caused these liver complications. In clean organic form & used properly, I don’t honestly see any risk. I’ve been taking it for chronic pain for over 2 years. I talk with my doctor about it and have liver function tests performed every 3 months. I am fortunate to have great medical coverage, but have yet to see any decline in my liver function at all.

We need to watch what is going into the products, encourage proper organic farming & processing. If we can reduce the FDA involvement to that level it may satisfy there desire to take some control there. The FDA & the major pharmaceutical companies are united in preserving profits and kratom is cutting into that potential. Clean products, safely packaged & used properly, I am certain there is no danger.

I am so happy to have access to kratom and no more dependence on narcotics. It has changed my life! There are now upwards of 40+ identified alkaloids which provide provable medical effects, all the way to preventing growth of some types of cancer cells. If we concentrate on keeping kratom a natural, organic product & don’t mess with it for profits it can & will remain safe. Every time anyone reads a negative article, check it’s source & go after these BS claims. Public outcry will fall in behind it. The neuropharmacology it’s compounds can create are incredible. Focus on the other components, not just Mitragynine is also going to be essential in taking the focus away from the false potential dangers. All of us need to keep up the independent research & encourage these things to happen.

I’m in a wheelchair with chronic pain & have been freed to peruse anything I wish. Even heading back to school in Jan. Go Kratom! It rocks!!!!

Sincerely,
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Scientific research of kratom and its potential support of a ban 2 weeks 1 hour ago #45817

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, Dadwrench!

Great introduction post! I can’t argue with a word you wrote ;)
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Welcome aboard Dadwrench! :-h

Your comments are right on target. =D>

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