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TOPIC: Kratom legal status in Australia

Kratom legal status in Australia 4 weeks 18 hours ago #47710

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Hi gang, I'm new here but I thought I'd share something I found that might be of interest to vendors and members from Australia. There seems to be a loophole in NSW, something to do with Kratom use, possession importation etc not affected in this state because the schedule system is not recognized by any state laws in NSW. Here's the link. www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php...d-kratom-back-in-oz/
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48213

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Yes your quite right, kratom is legal to possess and use in every Australian state, the only time it's illegal is bringing it into the country as it's a prohibited import. There's even a head shop in Australia that sells it online, not sure if they sell in store also, I ordered some off them and it was fine, illget you the website it's in WA
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48215

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Welcome t-rex :-h Or should I just call you the dinosaur from down under. :-? :lol:

So it's illegal to import but legal to posses? So how do you legally get it. :-?
Is it grown there?
My Grandkids say I’m a cuckoo head. ;)
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48219

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Thanks Tiggermanscrat, Na bro, despite popular belief Kratom is grown and harvested commercially nowhere else except Borneo, not Vietnam, not Bali, not Sumartra. In fact the only other place it actually even grows is Thailand but not in vast enough quantities to export, just enough to keep the locals satisfied.

In fact there is so much misinformation getting fed to the consumers that has know been accepted as absolute fact by everyone that i don't want to even get into it because I will have the whole forum jump down my neck
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48220

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Hello T-Rex ! Nice to have you here brother man!

Feel safe to share your thoughts opinions of what you know .... we are friendly :-h

Great to meet you !

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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48225

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why thank you Somethingsacredgoinonhere, u guys really are a friendly bunch, ive only just joined and no matter how i word it in my head it would make me sound cocky and for sure the whole forum will disagree with me, maybe after i been around a while, it's just i been to borneo and worked with the farmers etc. However don't get me wrong guys KRATOM IS AWESOME! I often say its the biggest thing to happen in medicine since penicillin
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48226

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I know one part i can say without sounding too "know it all". In my opinion (so dont crucify me) i believe its a myth that different strains have different effects, for any one of you to have any chance of considering this a possibility please understand how massive the human minds capacity for the placebo effect is. Later on I'll get into my reasonings and evidence thats both backed by science and throughly researched by own consumption being an ex (sometimes relapsing) addict for smoking the pure china whyte.
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48227

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Oh yea guys, since it seemed like a few of u aussie guys where having trouble getting it i rang the place i mentioed before with the link and they said yes they sell it in store, but are out of stock until thursday, i asked them if they mind if i put their name up on the forum, they said that they having trouble keeping up with demand but i can put it once somewhere discreetly so only the guys that really need it will find it, so i already done that i think:)
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Kratom legal status in Australia 2 weeks 1 day ago #48229

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Fair nuff lol!!

I think mid tend to agree on a few of those points ... but have my own understanding from being around some great folks in the industry .
Perhaps genetically speaking their may be one or two variations or possible strains... could be.. idk lol!! But I lean towards all the diff effects being from location, maturity of tree and how long the leaves have been left to stay on ,
soil/ nutrients.... and here’s probably one of the bigger factors in the alkaloid profile is the time of season its harvested in and drying methods utilized . Sun dried or indoors ? Fermentation ?
This is how I’ve come to think of it in terms of contributing factors for a diff alkaloid profile . Genetically speaking , I’ve heard they are all somewhat identical ... but phenotypes are the way genes are expressed in a given environment they are grown in.. I know that from the ganja experience of my not to distant youth lol... so I feel different traits or alkaloid profiles could result from that factor ...

But this is all how I’ve come to understand it . I don’t believe in strains but do in regions of where they grow... and even then ... it’s questionable whether that’s where they actually were grown or wild harvested from . Have to trust a vendor who trusts his supplier to get a more factual bit of accuracy ...

Lol, truly is the best thing since penicillin hahaha.... for me personally ... better !!!

The one thing I’m curious about in your perspective .. is you feel the variables have to do with placebo effect ? I have no doubt that everything effects everything ... but I can’t put to much on the placebo effect personally ...though I’m sure it has a contributing effect on most things in life ... the mind is mighty powerful !!

Another factor I left out is individual chemistry . What effects one person this way or that , not another in the same way ...

Don’t sweat about riling any of us up, these are all at worst speculation and at best good conversation about some possible truths :-bd B-) (L)

Nice to meet you ! Hope you stick around and add your participation to the community .

Oh, how did you come to find out about kratom? And if I may ask .. how often do you take it and for what reasons ?? I love to hear about these sorts of things !! But no pressure lol

Take care

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Kratom legal status in Australia 1 week 5 days ago #48323

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Well said Somethingsacredgoinonhere, Yes I agree with most of what you say. When I mentioned that I don't think there is much variations in strains and their effects I certainly wasn't ruling out that other factors may play a role and I dare say they would.

However I would probably (educated guess) say that all the variations you mentioned would definitely make a difference to the plants alkaloid content etc, however I'm not sure whether it would make profound enough changes in the alkaloid structure and genetics to give different effects, especially the polar opposite type effects that some people claim different strains give.

like most claim that for example green for energy, red for relax/pain relief. In my opinion those two different types of effects that are absolute polar opposites just can't come from the same plant, the same plant could give both those effects and interpreted differently by different individuals, but not the same plant and just different strain could not give just one or the other. Wow sorry guys I hope you could make sense of what I just wrote, I'm having great difficulties putting my thoughts into words right now so apologies,lol.

Ok, the placebo question, yea bro I believe that because it's drummed into people so consistently that green gives energy and red gives pain relief (when in actual fact both strains have the potential to do both) that placebo takes over and people take green when they need energy, they notice that the green did in actual fact give them energy but don't notice that it would have relieved their pain also (if they had any).

How did I come to find out about kratom? Ok this is quite a very long story so I'll give the shortest version possible and at a later date give further elaboration. So i owned a cpl head shops in Oz, then in 2015, around the same time i had some friends who lost their jobs in the mines for failing drug tests for smoking weed days or weeks earlier during their time off.

So i started selling all the devices to pass drug tests in protest, i also started selling legal highs, this bought with it massive media attention, my workload become fairly intensive (hang on im not using that to justify my meth or drug use because there is no way to justify it), anyway i love drugs so started taking them heaps, especially when i had a prime time TV interview on as I'd always get a laugh watching it back whilst there all making a big deal about some harmless cabbage leaf my shop sells whilst im sitting their talking to them under the heavy influence of the top 5 most illicit substances on earth.

I was puffin every drug known to man and even a few that weren't, I use dumb ass justifications to tell myself it's ok to take drugs as long as i never try shooting up, so what that equates too is being a crack, smack, meth, gbl and benzo addict (all at once), but hey its ok cos i only smoke it, right??

Anyway the media, police and govt all joined forces to try to discredit me, lock me up or shut me up. They done some disgraceful things which i cant talk about here, i'll mention one and try to find some links about parts of my story, one thing they done was a dawn raid on my house at 5am with 12 heavily armed TRG officers and with a TV crew with them.

The cameras followed them right up until they bashed the door down after i screamed out "WAIT I'M OPENING IT THERES CHILDREN ASLEEP" anyway they made sure to give away my exact address, they said the street name and suburb whilst zooming in on the number at the same time, giving out my real address was the only truthful event that occurred, the police found an empty bag with coke residue and from memory a tiny bit of weed, anyway wasn't charged with anything even remotely serious, but I'll give the link to do the explaining on that one.

Anyway the government conspiracy got way outa hand (and it wasn't even the meth making me paranoid, there was really an unbelievable govt conspiracy against me, other things i didnt mention was i got some MP's sacked and made them look stupid on live radio etc, anyway let's just say GOVT NOT HAPPY WITH ME.

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So decided that had to leave Oz so me and my gf at the time and my 8yo son moved to IBIZA and opened another head shop, we started getting requests for Kratom so we got it in stock and all the smackheads used to rave about it, where all i wanted to know from them was where's the good smack "they would start on to tell me I don't need it if i have Kratom" SHUTUP, I would say, if i wanted to eat plants i would be addicted to eating plants but it just so happens im addicted to puffing smack, and not just any smack but only the very finest china white!

So off i would send them to get me some with 100euro i just gave them, occasionally they even returned with a little bit but that was rare...

need a break will finish story later guys:)

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