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I understand but don't 6 months 1 week ago #28830

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Can I have a serious explanation on this. I realize 50x extract is 50 grams of kratom boiled to make a gram. If I have taken .4 grams of extract I've read it would equal 20 grams, but like I've previously mentioned it doesn't mean 50x more. How much plain leaf of 50x cyristilline extract really be?
I tried once today, but that's it for me. I want to use it just to slightly enhance the kratom. Likes just say 50 grams. Would a gram of extract in 50 grams mixed up be to much to take regular doses? I want to take my regular doses 3-5g 3 times a day but just enhance it slightly where I don't over due it.
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I understand but don't 6 months 1 week ago #28835

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is this a liquid extract? - usually extracts are liquid.
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It's powdered. It's just a sample I would never be able to afford a extract habit. I guess my question couldn't really be answered with out working in medicine and having a lab at your disposal. This is a better way of me explaining myself. If you have good kratom where the contents are like 1.8% if you can add extract in such a low proportion where you can actually bring 1.8% up to a 2.0% or a 2.5% where you can take your regular dose and don't have to worry about over doing it. You just have strong kratom, but not as strong as enhanced

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I understand but don't 6 months 1 week ago #28847

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Yes, you can do that. That’s the best way to avoid tolerance increase. Take breaks to regular powder to MAKE SURE.
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So it must be a dried extract or something.

When you are referring to .4gms of extract that is the weight of the powder you are measuring?
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I understand but don't 6 months 1 week ago #28854

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bomalley wrote: So it must be a dried extract or something.

When you are referring to <strong>.4gms of extract</strong> that is the weight of the powder you are measuring?

Yup.
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Yeah, but how much to add to how much. Guessing with extract doesn't seem good
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I understand but don't 6 months 1 week ago #28858

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It’s STILL an unpredictable, subtle plant.

The only thing wrong with extracts is it increases tolerance. I’ve found a way to utilize it when needed, then return to regular powder.

You can measure everything as precisely as you wish. It’s still a plant.

Use extracts with care. Being in recovery, I tend to use them minimally for EMERGENCIES like walking to the car.

With 2 preemies, you’ll have emergencies for the next 50 YEARS. God Willing.

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Laurie wrote: It’s STILL an unpredictable, subtle plant.

The only thing wrong with extracts is it increases tolerance. I’ve found a way to utilize it when needed, then return to regular powder.

You can measure everything as precisely as you wish. It’s still a plant.

Use extracts with care. Being in recovery, I tend to use them minimally for EMERGENCIES like walking to the car.

With 2 preemies, you’ll have emergencies for the next 50 YEARS. God Willing.

Dang, I'm sorry to hear that. Just everyday things is enough to take extract. That sucks.


Here's a pretty solid answer to this I got from someone. I'm just not quite sure what color it is. I think it's brownish with crystal flakes.

BTW that extract is prolly ~40% alkaloids, so around 5-20% mitragynine. Probably on the lower end. The old 40% used to be ~8% mitragynine. My guess is it is probably around 4X as potent as PL unless it has been purified in some way (like white or gold colored). 10X at best but I doubt it. I would just cut out a gram of leaf and add a half gram of the extract. Not if it is white or yellow/gold though. That is much more potent, like truly 30-50X.

A gram of extract added to 50 gr of leaf would not really enhance it noticeably. Try adding it to 9-19 grams of leaf. Be sure it is mixed real well. That would add .4-.8% mitragynine to your total and turn your 1.6 leaf into 2-2.5% leaf.

Or you could prolly just use 10% mitragynine to make the math easy. I wanted to make some enhanced leaf but I think the extract I have is way too resinous. I think it would turn into a blob in my coffee grinder but maybe it would not get hot enough. I think I will try whizzing up just some of that extract. I have a gram of near pure mitragynine as well. I was thinking 10 gr brown extract, 1 gr white, and 39 gr PL and maybe powdered cats claw if I could find it. Then just use a gram of it. I need the perfect leaf though.

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I understand but don't 6 months 1 week ago #28901

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I think you need to ask yourself WHY?

If you are getting good results with regular plain leaf powder, WHY would you want to take this extract ...especially with all the uncertainties regarding dose and tolerance etc.

Laurie has indicated that she DOES use it BUT clearly she know WHY, and she only ues it under specific circumstances.

Ask yourself WHY? I mean WHY do you want to complicate your life?
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