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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9912

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Hello all, I am a brand new member. I will introduce myself if the appropriate section, but I have something I want to get out there first and foremost.

4 days ago, on March 20th 2016, I purchased some 30 "Maeng Da" capsules. They were 19.99 which I now know is not worth it. They are said to contain 500mg of Maeng Da Kratom. I have been researching kratom the past week or so and was anxious to try it even though I had an ounce of Super Green Malay and 2 ounces of Red Vein Bali already en route. So, I bought these 30 capsules from a smoke shop in Santa Cruz.

I learned that as low a dose as 1 or 2 grams may produce an effect. I learned that some people dose 10 grams or more at a time. Taking an expert dose did not scare me however I also learned of kratom's potential side effects and/or withdrawal syndrome. So I figured the ideal dose would be just enough to get some lasting effects.

I must mention that I have recently kicked heroin, so I have a very high pre-existing tolerance to opiates. I am also at the end of a home cooked Suboxone regimen. It seems to have been successful and even pleasant with the help of kratom but I will post about that elsewhere if anyone is really interested. I have read quite a few places online that kratom can be used with Suboxone. Anywho, the Suboxone, though only taken 2mg every 24 hours[and only 6mg at initial dose; started after 24 hours abstinence on 3/17/16 or maybe it was 3/16/16] can itself raise one's tolerance. So starting out I assumed I would need quite a larger dose than the average Joe looking to benefit from kratom.

I took 9 capsules or approximately 4.5 grams. After a half hour of waiting and burping up a funny taste/smell, I felt a strange and suddle sensation that kind of floated off but remained in a foggy state. I seemed to have a small boost of energy for a while. It's hard to say for how long. But anyway nothing big happened. I think I slept a little better than I would have without it.

Anyways, I came to the conclusion that the kratom was not that good. Because today I have tried kratom for the 2nd time, my choice being 8 grams of Red Veined Kali. It feels nice. But back to this post:

Has kratom been known to be especially effective the first time? Or has it been known to commonly NOT work for first time users, something like how marijuana can?

Has anyone been satisfied with kratom sold in smoke shops? It seems that ordering it online would bear better fruit any day of the week.

I mentioned I had better luck today with a different strain... I also just "Tossed & Washed" my serving this time. Is it possible that doing so makes it more fast-acting? I was also on an empty stomach this time, which I have now read to be very important... But do you think the capsules take too long to dissolve? Is there anyone out there that has a theory on the difference between Capsules and the Toss & Wash method? Is there a difference between regular Gel Capsules and Vegetarian Capsules? Which would dissolve faster?

Has anyone tried this SPECIFIC capsulated "Maeng Da" ?? I went to the website on the package and the domain name has expired. Does anyone know where this company, "Natural Re-Leaf", has gone or what happened with them?

Im attaching a photo of the pouch bought from the smoke shop.

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Savvy

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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9915

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Hey SavvyB Glad to have you here. First off I would stay away from any Head Shops as they are selling Kratom as a Legal High which it is not. Head Shops is what is going to get Kratom banned everywhere. Also they are the most expensive places to buy Kratom & you don't know how fresh the Kratom is.

Toss N Wash Method is the Best to me. Capsules don't always get digested fully by your stomach & they don't get broken down all at the same time. I would say that the TNW Method is faster acting than the capsules because you are putting the Powder directly into your body to be absorbed.

Did you know that Maeng Da is Enhanced Thai Kratom. So Maeng Da is actually not Plain Leaf it is Enhanced. I have bought Maeng Da Capsules a long time ago from a local head shop & I though it was very Weak Kratom. The Capsules probably sits up there for no telling how long until somebody buys them. So the Kratom in the Capsules can't be that fresh.
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9933

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Madmax, where did you get the information that Maeng Da is just enhanced Thai? I know several vendors that sell Maeng da that is not enhanced with extract. It must be from a certain vendor or vendors. Do you mean that the origin of the term Maeng da was originally meant to be used for enhanced Thai? Different vendors use that term to describe their kratom if it's high quality. Maeng da doesn't mean pimps grade either, it translates to some other word/words. It's kind of more confusing than helpful in describing different leaves.
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9944

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I thought Maeng Da was leaves from more mature or older trees, or maybe older leaves. I don't know. I don't put to much faith in strain names these days. I've seen pictures of Indonesians in the Jungle picking leaves and I just cant picture them saying "is that the Red Bali tree or the Red Borneo tree, why didn't somebody label that tree". Unless they are growing it on Kratom Farm, then they could know what is planted where. None of the vendors actually have Kratom from Thailand, but most of them sell Red Thai or whatever Thai. Let me stop rambling. I do think the toss n wash hits me faster and better than capsules.
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9947

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cybin_spores wrote:
Madmax, where did you get the information that Maeng Da is just enhanced Thai? I know several vendors that sell Maeng da that is not enhanced with extract. It must be from a certain vendor or vendors. Do you mean that the origin of the term Maeng da was originally meant to be used for enhanced Thai? Different vendors use that term to describe their kratom if it's high quality. Maeng da doesn't mean pimps grade either, it translates to some other word/words. It's kind of more confusing than helpful in describing different leaves.

ensobotanicals.com/truth-maeng-da-kratom/

You are also Correct cybin_spores. It depends on the Vendor to if it is real Maeng Da. What does Maeng Da mean anyway? All I know is if I take any Vendor's Maeng Da afterwards my Tolerance goes up after a few days. They say it's enhanced in some way. It's not an extract but just enhanced a little bit. That's always what I've heard unless you heard different.
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9953

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This is an Excellent Link to Explain it better than I can.
Maeng Da is not Technically an Enhanced Kratom but it gets it's higher alkaloid percentages by being genetically engineered using grafting.

musynergetics.blogspot.com/2013/09/what-...y-with-maeng-da.html
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9957

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In regards to ziggy saying "I don't think toss and wash hits me faster and better than capsules" I tend to agree. I actually did a test recently where I drank my kratom with orange juice for around two weeks and didn't really feel a difference in effects. It would still kick in at the 45 minute to an hour mark. I used the same strains for two weeks as I did with capsules the two weeks before. I kept track on a sheet of paper. There wasn't a difference that I could pin point. I just went through a bunch of OJ. I tried the toss and wash a couple times but found myself choking on the powder most of the time. I tried putting water in my mouth first but that didn't work either, kept coughing up powder. So that was my experiment, capsules didn't diminish effects for me. I will do it again in the future for another experiment.
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #9966

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This is from a post from Jeff from pharmacy dropout from a couple months ago, explaining what Maeng da actually translates to according to people that live in the region. I hope he doesn't mind me pasting it here.

I haven't asked my Vietnamese friend, but as far as the other languages go, it does NOT mean "pimp grade". This is misinformation, and it's a gross misinformation too. The closest translation is Cockroach, or a type of beetle, and it is used as a slur. In Thai though, it means Shore Crab, or Shoe Crab. These are loose, and none of them fit the bill exactly. It is late and I don't want to disturb my friends at this hour, but it doesn't mean Pimp Grade. This is a marketing scheme.

Maeng Da often means, they simply want you to pay more, for a horned leaf. The Horned Leaves (or is it leafs?) do have a tendency to be more potent.

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Okay, we have a solid copy. My Vietnamese friend and his mother have checked out the word symbols and it means something, but is misspelled. It roughly translates into da, which means done and Maeng, which means ghost. Ghost done.

There you go, three different languages. I'm not too keen on all the languages over there, are there any other languages I could investigate for anyone? I have dozens of foreign friends. Some are close and some are distant, but we still talk.
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Maeng Da capsules from smoke shop: LAME first attempt 1 year 5 months ago #10004

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I am getting used to the TNW method. I just ate it for my 3rd time. I have been doing GREAT without heroin or suboxone and am experiencing miniscule or zero discomfort on the day I put inbetween. Granted I weaned myself off very well cuz I know what I'm doing. But still. I have to agree with mad max. They can't ban this from sale they just can't. Its wonderful. And I would agree that it's not a legal high. I wouldn't even call it a high. It makes you well.

Is there anyway "plantation maeng da" that could be like over 2.5% in content, regardless of its authenticity? Where could I find that. And would it be available in red as I am mainly seeking pain relief.

About the translation, I don't know what language "Maeng Da" even is, but I'm gona say in confidence that it is some sort of derogatory term possibly for pimps but regardless a poor choice for making a item more marketable. I like the name working man's kratom (green) and red relief kratom (red). If the vendors would all like get together and have a meeting about it that would be cool.

One more quick question. I ordered some Horned Red Kratom from kratora. Is that red vein maeng da? I was looking into red maeng da and found that the scores on its rating scale(on a few websites not just one) were essentially the same as a scale I found for horned red.
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Forgot something about TNW... You will choke if you are trying to avoid the taste. You can't just throw it back there and not get it in your lungs. All the kratom I've had made dust when you open the bag or scoop some. Of you put it in the middle your mouth and let it absorb some saliva, it can be swallowed with minimal fluid. You're just gona taste it.

And about my last question... I ask that because on top of the similarity I noticed, I have read many placez(including some of the sites y'all have posted in this thread) that some sites call horned leaf plants maeng da.
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