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TOPIC: New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working

New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10455

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I got my order from mmm speciosa yesterday and honestly feel like the caps from the head shop were better.
Is it a freshness issue? They sent 2 free samples and I've tried them all and nothing.
No relief what so ever. I'm not as sick as I've been before but I still feel pretty awful.
I switched vendors & strains yesterday afternoon, before work. While at work I started feeling very ill, angry. It wasn't until about 5 this morning after waiting an hour to feel anything from the Red Indo sample that it hit me. This is withdrawal and the Kratom isn't working. I've been awake so every 4 hours I try a different strain, dose up, down. Empty stomach every time because I have no appetite. At this point it feels like I'm beating my head against a wall.
I have more samples from kwikkratom that should arrive today and I'm going to pick up a potentiater at the grocery store.
Since I've burned new strains from a new vendor it wouldn't be tolerance would it?
Any advice or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10458

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Have you ever taken a tolerance break for few days? That may help somewhat or you could try stem and vein for a couple of days. How often are you burning and how much do you burn per session? For the empty stomach burns, that is generally true; however, some people get better burns when they have a light snack 30 min to 1 hour beforehand. I once burned first thing in the morning on a completely empty stomach and that was a mistake. What works for me if I am going to burn is 2.5 to 3 hours after a solid meal or 1 to 1.5 hours after a protein smoothie.
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10461

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I burned for the first time last week. I've been doing it in the morning, lunch, & before bed, at times I've felt it wear off at work and burned again. One teaspoon is the most I've taken at one time. I'm coming off of subs, 10 days now.

I should add that when I burned the Red Malay this morning I was able to sleep for an hour. My WDS always start with insomnia. I've gone days before trying to come off opiates without sleep. It's hell.

I tried the smaller doses, half a teaspoon at the start of this week because I read about the "less is more" and I was trying to make what I had last until my orders arrived.

I have a long weekend full of long hours on my feet coming up and I'm kind of freaking out. I've turned down my old habit, twice now but I can't work like this.

It will come down to losing my job or taking a subutex.

It's heart breaking to think you've found the answer to the addiction disease for it to fail. Epically.

Thank you for your help.
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10463

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I am not familiar with coming of subs or other opiates. This may play a part on how well the kratom works for you. I am sure others will be able to help. Did you quite the subs or other opiates cold turkey and replace it with kratom or did you taper?
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10464

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I tapered. I've done it several times in the past 3-4 years. When I took the Kratom it took away all the WD symptoms and instantly made me feel better.

Update: My kwikkratom came. I took your advice and ate a handful of saltines and downed half a protein shake (I drink them daily anyway and eat a high protein diet for receptor repair and to elevate my dopamine levels) and added a second tsp to my burn of Red Maeng Da. I then went into my herbal goodie bag and took a dropper of passion flower tincture, it's for nerves. When I typed that last reply to you I was in shambles.
I was driving to the grocery store and I finally felt okay. I let out a huge sigh of relief. Thank you so much for the protein shake suggestion. I had that on hand and added it to my tea to cool it down.
I'm planning on placing a larger order tomorrow and am going to add stem & leaf to it.
This was my first experience with white & green strains. I found the reviews for mmm speciosa here on the forum and saw others had said it was stale. I have a Green Borneo in my sample pack that came today that I will try tomorrow.

I really can't thank you enough. I feel so much better and can already tell I'll be sleeping tonight. :-bd
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10469

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Hey glitterwitch, I can totally relate to what you're going through! I was on 16mg a day of subs for over 3 years and had a hell of a time going through withdrawal. I would be happy to help you any way I can. I am now almost 2 months clean from them and feel like a million dollars these days. Yes, I had to sort through some different strains and also several supplements but I couldn't be happier with the results. I have been in your shoes and hated every second. The insomnia and rls were the worst by far.
What's even more ironic is that I am from North Carolina! Grew up there in Raleigh but now live in Texas. Anyway, I'd love to help if I can, let me know if you need any suggestions. I hope you're feeling better. Hit me up anytime. You can do this! Don't go backwards ;)
You get out what you put in....
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10477

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If you are feeling bad Kratom will make you feel ok.
If you are feeling ok Kratom will make you feel good.
If you are feeling good Kratom will make you feel great.

I think since you were feeling not so good then Kratom could not make you feel very good. It could just make you feel OK since you were feeling sick. You will have to Experiment with Vendors, Strains, Colors, Dosages & Blends to see what works best for you. That's the best thing to do is experiment. It seems like Kwik Kratom is working for you. So I would just keep ordering from them until you can rid of the withdrawals from the subs. Then try another Trusted Vendor.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can.
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10480

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Thank you msolis! I love North Carolina, it's such a beautiful state. I live in the part that was in the first Hunger Games, the land of waterfalls. I've traveled a lot and there's nowhere like it. The pollen is so bad this year with all our foliage but Kratom has been helping with that too.
I think that vendor's Kratom just didn't work for me. The Kwikkratom made me feel better. I didn't sleep as well as I would have liked but I burned the Green Borneo and I feel much better today. No subs. Yay!
What supplements did you find worked best for you? I take Ashwaghanda for adrenal fatigue, Passion Flower, Kava, & Valerian Root tinctures for nerves & sleeping. For seratonin production I've tried 5htp & Rhodiola, and for dopamine L-dopa & Gaba. The supplements can get expensive so I'm playing around with them now that I've found Kratom.
When I first decided to stop taking subs I found forums dedicated to holistic remedies and started studying neurotransmitters and how to repair them. I eat a high protein diet also and it has helped so much.
I have stopped taking them so many times and I make it until the PAWS set in.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. This forum has been great having folks that truly understand and aren't down on Kratom. I'm so grateful I found it.

If you're ever in western NC you'll have to come by the coffee shop where I work and let me brew you a Kratom/Espresso latte!
Have a great weekend!
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10481

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Thanks madmax. I look forward to your advice when I post. I'm loving the Green Borneo this morning!

It would seem 2tsp is my sweet spot for a good burn.

Once I'm out of the woods with subs I can lower the amount I burn, right?

I'm going to order some stem & vein today. Do you have any suggestions on how to add it to my rotation? How much different is it than plain leaf?

Thanks again! I've been seeing a lot of folks here giving OnlineKratom great reviews so I'm going to order a sample pack from them today. I'm going to make sure I don't run out of my Kwikkratom this time. I def learned a lesson about new vendors this week!
Have a great weekend!
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New Vendor, New Strains...Not Working 1 year 6 months ago #10482

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Ahh, the pisgah forest. Beautiful part of the state! We would always head west and usually go to kings mountain to cut down our own Christmas tree. I'm sure you already know that's where the last if the mohecians was filmed too.
I am actually driving back to visit family this summer but not sure it cuts that far West but I'll certainly let you know if I do.
So, everyone is different with kratom but for myself the green strains provide the most energy and got rid of the chills and all other PAWS. I would maintain during the day and then try some red strains to mellow out at night. It took me much longer to find a red that worked for me. Once I did though, I felt much better at night. I usually mix 4 to 6 grams in the morning with orange juice but first will mix it with just a little hot water as this helps it mix better. Withing a few minutes I'm feeling like a million bucks.
I also have had success with passion flower and valerian root but the one that seems to help the most was DLPA which contains the L-dopa but also helps your body absorb it and promotes dopamine production. I was also fortunately prescribed some gabapentin from my doctor so that's sort of cheating but I didn't get that till 4 weeks into withdrawal. I would say the first 2 weeks were by far the worst for me and was sometimes hard to make it through. Once I found kratom and especially all the great people on this forum, my life has been changed.
We are all different and only you can determine what's the best strain and amount for you to use. Just hang in there and remember why you're doing this and remember how bad it is the first few days and hopefully you will never go backwards again. I can tell you that it can be done and you can do this! Please let me know if there's anything else I can do. Good luck!! :)
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