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New and Have Some Questions... Nervous 3 weeks 3 days ago #21690

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Thanks again to everyone for all of the input!!!

I was taking the kratom in place of the oxy since I don't have access to my new month's supply until tomorrow.. The night after 10 I trimmed it back to 6, which was only borderline helpful. Last night (eight) seems to be the right spot, although I'm fighting a pretty bad headache today.

BUT... everyone in my house is catching a cold, so that could be unrelated :)

It's definitely curing the RLS (at least at 8+).. I could feel my legs start to mildly twitch at 6, so that definitely was borderline not therapeutic enough. But also at 8 I'm getting a little too much effect (sedation/stimulation back and forth, like a cycle), so I'm not sure if I LOVE that.

After I get my script, not sure what I will do. I'd really like to get off opiates completely. I wonder if it would make my body too out of whack if I switched off, or took Kratom like 3x a week instead of? I don't think it would be a good idea to take them both at once. I'd be worried about being too sedated. I never take any kind of medicine until my son is in bed, but I never want to be so out of it I couldn't help him if he needed me overnight :(

I think I do want to look into other strains/vendors also to see how they differ, although I certainly can't say anything bad about the effectiveness of what I have or the customer service. :)

Thanks again for the warm welcome :) Going to keep reading here!
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New and Have Some Questions... Nervous 3 weeks 2 days ago #21700

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Headaches can sometimes result from lack of fluids are you keeping your fluid intake up? Doubley important when taking Kratom. I experienced headaches at the start of my Kratom journey as well. But over several days of increased fluid intake they went away.

Not sure you if you are aware of this but increasing fluids can also help some people with RLS. My husband was able to resolve his RLS by increasing his fluid intake - probably was not as severe as yours.

IF you do increase your fluid intake just be aware that it can take many many months for the body to start properly re-hydrating as the first response is often to just make more urine. Over time however, the fluid does find its way into the tissues which is where you want it for RLS.

Glad to see you are having some success in your mad experiments!
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New and Have Some Questions... Nervous 2 weeks 2 days ago #21817

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I have been using kratom for about 8 months for severe muscle/fascia pain and was able to go
totally off of tramadol about 3 months ago after taking it daily for almost 4 years.
I would not have been able to do this without kratom, so thank you nature,
thank you forum, and thank you decent vendors (there’s a number of them) who really care and offer affordable prices.

For those interested in what’s working for me, Red Sumatra from SoCalHerbalRemedies
is currently most effective. Red Bali also works for me as well as chocolate bentuangie.
I’m super sensitive to stimulation so the reds are my preference.
Still haven’t found quite the best to also help me sleep at night.
I’m about to receive some Red Kapua from SoCal which the owner, Franklin, recommended.

At this point, based on my experience, I have some questions as well as concerns.
I’ve read that kratom can be constipating and that’s definitely been my experience.
Still managing that with the aloe ferox capsules - I had to double the dose to 4/day.
Recently I’ve started to have acid reflux in the evenings often with a pain/cramp in the area of the xiphoid process.
This is totally new for me although through the years I sometimes get stomach inflammation/ulcer type pain
from the injury done taking high doses of NSAIDs many years ago.
These symptoms are starting to ease up a little this week after starting to use Zinc-Carnosine Complex with Pepzin from Doctor’s Best.

1. Can kratom cause symptoms like acid reflux and ulcer type pain?

2. For the past 4 months, anytime I get a basic urinalysis done, I test positive for infection
even though I’ve been totally symptom free. Can kratom use cause a false positive reading?
I also use a little CBD with THC oil at bedtime. Can that affect the reading in case anyone reading this is familiar with that?

3. Over the past few weeks whenever the kratom wears off (usually after 4-6 hours) I
notice I’m in a lot more pain than I used to be. Could the use of kratom be effecting
how my brain reads pain signals? Am I becoming more sensitive to pain?
I could just be in a higher pain period but the level of pain which is
almost head to foot is really striking, especially if I haven’t pulled a muscle to warrant a flare up like this.
This is a growing concern of mine as I continue to use kratom over a longer and longer period of time.
I’ve had to increase quantity slightly but am trying to keep it on the low side with no more than
3 rounded teaspoons per day because I understand the body does adapt to it, just like it does with tramadol, opiates, etc.

4. Does kratom have any specific health benefits, ie. not just temporary nice effects but
healing benefits over time like many herbs and plants have?

If you are new to kratom, please don’t let my concerns discourage you.
What I am experiencing could have nothing to do with kratom, and if it does,
I know I’m still using a healthier alternative to pain medication while I keep plugging away
at trying to address the root cause(s) like gut issues, inflammation, mitochondria dysfunction,
environmental toxins, etc.

God bless this forum.
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New and Have Some Questions... Nervous 2 weeks 2 days ago #21818

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Hi. I am so happy for you to have found a way to free yourself of as much medication as possible for your body. In case this is useful to you and others using kratom to come off of pain medications - I noticed that once I was completely off of tramadol and only using kratom for pain, the kratom was much more effective. It's possible that the pain relieving substances in kratom compete for the same receptors in the brain as pain medications which could make both substances a little less effective, especially if taken close together in time. It may make sense to try to space them apart as much as possible.
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dove108 wrote:

At this point, based on my experience, I have some questions as well as concerns.
I’ve read that kratom can be constipating and that’s definitely been my experience.
Still managing that with the aloe ferox capsules - I had to double the dose to 4/day.
Recently I’ve started to have acid reflux in the evenings often with a pain/cramp in the area of the xiphoid process.
This is totally new for me although through the years I sometimes get stomach inflammation/ulcer type pain
from the injury done taking high doses of NSAIDs many years ago.
These symptoms are starting to ease up a little this week after starting to use Zinc-Carnosine Complex with Pepzin from Doctor’s Best.

1. Can kratom cause symptoms like acid reflux and ulcer type pain?

I think this is more likely a user specific reaction rather than caused by the Kratom...especially if you have had stomach issues before. Do you use digestive enzymes? or bile salts? Adding some enzymes to the mix might help with getting your food processed more completely and put your stomach in a better mood to accept the Kratom.
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2. For the past 4 months, anytime I get a basic urinalysis done, I test positive for infection
even though I’ve been totally symptom free. Can kratom use cause a false positive reading?
I also use a little CBD with THC oil at bedtime. Can that affect the reading in case anyone reading this is familiar with that?

It is NOT unusual to have white blood cells in your urine, especially if you have had previous urinary tract infections. Also as you age you are more likely to have white blood cells in your urine. This does NOT mean you have an infection and it should NOT be treated unless you have symptoms of an infection like pain on urination, and urinary frequency. It is NOT caused by Kratom.

Try taking a course of D Mannose (you can get it on Amazon). It will break up the mucous lining of the bladder and allow it to shed. This is the biofilm where bacteria can breed. Tha might clear up the WBC's in your urine...it certainly worked for me.
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3. Over the past few weeks whenever the kratom wears off (usually after 4-6 hours) I
notice I’m in a lot more pain than I used to be. Could the use of kratom be effecting
how my brain reads pain signals? Am I becoming more sensitive to pain?
I could just be in a higher pain period but the level of pain which is
almost head to foot is really striking, especially if I haven’t pulled a muscle to warrant a flare up like this.
This is a growing concern of mine as I continue to use kratom over a longer and longer period of time.
I’ve had to increase quantity slightly but am trying to keep it on the low side with no more than
3 rounded teaspoons per day because I understand the body does adapt to it, just like it does with tramadol, opiates, etc.

This is possible. People often report increased pain as they come off opiates...it is generally called rebound pain. This is reported in the literature BUT I am not sure I believe it. I mean YES as your pain medication wears off you will be in more pain, however, your decision not to increase your dose is a wise one...I am struggling with this too. Just increasing the dose is not the answer as tolerance will most certainly develop.
Have you tried anything else like the Akuamma seeds? I have found them to be helpful.

Also a rounded teaspoon on my scale is anywhere from 3-3.8 Gms. I would advise you to get an accurate scale and measure precisely (in mgs) so you know you are not increasing your dose through inaccurate measuring. It could be that when you notice the increased pain after the Kratom wears off that you have just taken less that time. I do notice that smaller doses wear off in a shorter amount of time.

Are you doing anything else for longer term benefits?

Myofascial pain is best treated with exercise, strengthening muscles, increasing flexibility and of course taking care of body alignment. There are many myofascial pain specialists who believe that all myofascial pain is caused by misalignment...I was so crooked my friends started referring to me a Quasimoto BUT misalignment does not have to be so obvious to the naked eye and it sometimes takes a trained eye to pick it up. Recently a physiotherapist has been very helpful in trying to straighten out my thorax. Well trained registered massage therapists, and chiropractors can be helpful too, although it can sometimes take a lot of searching to find the right ones for you.

Not sure where you are on your chronic pain journey but just thought I would throw that out there.
dove108 wrote:
4. Does kratom have any specific health benefits, ie. not just temporary nice effects but
healing benefits over time like many herbs and plants have?

I have read that there are other benefits. Try some of the research papers on the American Kratom Association's website. I always hop over there if I want scientific info.

BTW...you might want to add something in to your bowel regime instead of just upping the ALeoFerox. I use a combination of cascara and the Aloeferox, sometimes adding in a more of either one depending on how things are moving along.

Red Borneo, Red Horn, and/or Yellow Sumatra have been very sedating for me and help me to sleep well at night. The other red strains are good for pain in the daytime but a bit too stimulating for nighttime use for me.

I hope this helps.
BEV
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New and Have Some Questions... Nervous 2 weeks 2 days ago #21831

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Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough (as always) reply.

I will start using my mg scale - good suggestion.
Regarding mannose- i bought a bottle a few months ago and I got a reaction of head to foot itching and redness, a bit like a niacin flush both times when I tried it. I called the company and they said that was very unusual and that I should stop using it.
I don't know if it was just that particular brand but I haven't pursued another one since it's quite costly to get things to where I live in Venezuela. The doctors I've consulted all agree there's no reason to treat if i don't have symptoms.

I have tried a LOT of chiropractic, i was always out of alignment within days or hours. I even wrote a powem many years ago about all the things I'd tried called "Have you tried chiropractic?" Unfortunately there are no chiropractors here. It would be great once in awhile.
Right now I'm reading Dr. Joe Tatta's book on healing chronic pain. A very well rounded approach that includes diet as well as working with beliefs since pain is created in the brain and not "on location". I read all of Dr. John Sarno's books years ago and they made a lot of sense to me, very similar to what Dr. Tatta is saying. We are fortunate that neuroplasticity is real and that there is always the opportunity to "re format our hard drive"so to speak. I do a lot with diet and detox and we're saving up money for a far infra red sauna to sweat out toxins.
Joe Tatta is a PT and he stresses movement so I'm getting up the courage to add yoga to my daily routine which is currently taking a walk each morning. Thanks for the encouragement iregarding movement.

I'll try some of your sleep strain suggestions.

Thank you again. Always a pleasure to hear what you have to say.
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I think you will find yoga quite helpful.

I would suggest that there was some kind of excipient in the D mannose that caused the reaction...it is just a sugar afterall. I had a TERRIBLE reaction to CBD oil, BUT unlikely the oil itself probably something that was in it (pesticide residue maybe?). I was swollen up and looked like a chimpanzee - so I know what it is like to be sensitive to things BUT D mannose I can take.

I am like you ...I am always reading up on things. We think we know a lot in our modern society BUT we actually know very little.

Best of luck in the changes you make. If you find any scientific literature on Kratom of interest please share. That is what this forum is about.

BTW...I think I have already thanked you, BUT the Aloferox REALLY, REALLY helped me...my mother too! So thanks again.
BEV
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I also read Dr Sarno’s books! Made a lot of sense to me as well. My health and pain management has gotten more comprehensive as a result of learning what those Drs have to say.
I’m so glad the forum nurse got on this thread! Maybe more comments will show up to offer support. This website (not the forum, the BLOG above) might help you learn more about the scientific facts known about kratom. I read every word when I started my journey here. Just skip over the dated material about legality battles from State to State and you’ll find a wealth of information that may answer some of your questions. It’s been a long while now since I’ve read it all.
Hang in there!
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Thanks Laurie...I have also consulted the BLOG on this site and found some very helpful information there.

just forgot about it that's all - memory like a sieve sometimes!
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I know, right? It’s the best resource for kratom science and I’m due for a reread of that section as well!
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