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Heart Problems 2 months 3 weeks ago #28213

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I am asking a question for my husband.

I just bought a sample pack including Green Malay, Gold Bali and super Green Kali from EC-Botanicals. My husband has heart problems and COPD. He has had a double bypass and several heart attacks in the past. He is on O2. From what I've read about how Kratom affects the heart, I have become very confused. Some people say it raises the blood pressure, increases the heart rate (white?) and is dangerous for anyone with heart problems and not to mix with beta blockers. He is on beta blockers. I'm not sure where they got their info from.

Other places I've read where it decreases the blood pressure and heart rate and works on inflammation of the arteries.

On the other hand, he has low energy and a lot of body aches and pains that I would like to help him with. He is on Vicodin and very open to trying Kratom, but now I don't know what to do. I won't accept anything said as medical advice and hold you to it. I just need a perspective on this situation from anyone and especially anyone who has had heart problems or knows someone who has heart problems and uses Kratom effectively.

I am wondering if a moderate and/or red strain in general, would be okay. I doubt his doctors would be knowledgable enough to advise him. :(

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Heart Problems 2 months 3 weeks ago #28217

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plantsower wrote: I am asking a question for my husband.

I just bought a sample pack including Green Malay, Gold Bali and super Green Kali from EC-Botanicals. My husband has heart problems and COPD. He has had a double bypass and several heart attacks in the past. He is on O2. From what I've read about how Kratom affects the heart, I have become very confused. Some people say it raises the blood pressure, increases the heart rate (white?) and is dangerous for anyone with heart problems and not to mix with beta blockers. He is on beta blockers. I'm not sure where they got their info from.

Other places I've read where it decreases the blood pressure and heart rate and works on inflammation of the arteries.

On the other hand, he has low energy and a lot of body aches and pains that I would like to help him with. He is on Vicodin and very open to trying Kratom, but now I don't know what to do. I won't accept anything said as medical advice and hold you to it. I just need a perspective on this situation from anyone and especially anyone who has had heart problems or knows someone who has heart problems and uses Kratom effectively.

I am wondering if a moderate and/or red strain in general, would be okay. I doubt his doctors would be knowledgable enough to advise him. :(

Thanks people.

No one really knows everything about it, but I think it would be a safer alternative then Vicodin. I think it would carry alot of the same risks, but just less of them?
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Heart Problems 2 months 3 weeks ago #28221

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I know that Vicodin has side effects but it doesn't seem to affect his heart. It can be harsh on the liver because of the acetaminophen in it and his hands shake, and I think that's because he has been on it so long. Also, he's not addicted to it. He may take one or two a day but he is allowed more. He also takes ibuprofen which seems to help even better but that has consequences to so he only takes that once a day. All in all, he's still in pain anyway.

I would still like to get more info from heart patient users. I wonder if I should post this under "Kratom Discussion" as maybe not everyone checks the New to Kratom topic. Am I allowed to post the same question in several places?

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Heart Problems 2 months 3 weeks ago #28223

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Vicodin and ibuprofen are 100 times more dangerous than Kratom.

Stick with reds to start. start low...about 1 gm and increase to get pain control as needed.

You will be less likely to have any stimulation with the red strains as they have fewer alkaloids that do that AND they have more of the pain relieving alkaloids.


Taking ANY medication or ANY herb is an experiment as you donot know how it is going to affect you specifically.

Kratom will not cure chronic pain BUT it will help to manage it so that other more curative strategies can be tried.

Start LOW and GO SLOW. AND keep good notes.

If ibuprofen works then you know inflammation is a problem...Anti -inflammtory diet and supplements would be good to try.
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Hi: Thank you. I just wonder if the Slow strains will give any energy at all. He needs it to get anything done. He doesn't want to just lie around relaxed and maybe sleepy. Though at night I think he will love that. Still learning. :)
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One step at a time.
Smaller doses of reds should not make him sleepy.

Start there to get pain control THEN if you find sedation is a problem start adding in a bit of white or try some greens .

The sedation that comes with Kratom comes at higher doses AND it is not like a sleeping pill or anything, it is REALLY mild. You never know...if he can get pain under control he might have MORE energy.

My 97 yr old mother takes it 4 times per day (1.7 grams).

please use a scale for accurate measuring.
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I had to laugh when you mentioned your mom, but in a good way. Good for her for being open to taking Kratom.

I will do what you say if the red is too sedating for day time. I don't have any white, but I will use the green to start to mix in the Red. And you're right. He said his pain saps his energy.

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..he said pain saps his energy.


Ain't that the truth!!!

BTW...small doses regularly will be best for managing pain. He should not have to take any vicodin if the Kratom works for pain. Any he should not have any withdrawals either.

Make sure you prevent constipation. Whatever you are doing for helping with bowel regularity on vicodin might not be enough.

Do a search on "digestive issues" on the forum here. There is a really good thread for help with that. Also hydration is important.

Keep us posted.
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He has constipation anyway (sorry hubby but they don't know who you are) and always fights it. I am sure the Vicodin doesn't help. I will look on the forum when I get a chance to see what's recommended though he has tried many things without relief.

I had told him when he starts taking the kratom to not take his Vicodin that morning to see if the kratom works. This may or may not be true, but I told him that the Vicodin might hog the opioid receptors thus preventing the kratom from working.

We will definitely start out on low doses. It's better work work our way up and hopefully prevent some of the "overdose" symptoms people can get when they go too high. I, personally, want to take it for pain and lack of energy myself. I don't really have that much pain except when my back acts up, but I definitely lack energy. I was told my Vitamin D levels were low and that might be part of the problem, but I have been taking Vitamin D sublingually for quite a few months now. The doctor said it could take up to a year to replenish Vitamin D.
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You have to PREVENT constipation...lots of good tips on that thread, and stock up on the products that are recommended. I personally find Kratom WORSE than opiates for constipation and would NOT want to be without my personal supply of Cascara Sagrada herb capsules and CleanseMore ( contains Aloe Ferox).

Please do everything you can to make sure he does not take vicodin and Kratom at the same time or even close together. He should replace a dose of Vicodin with Kratom. If it does not take the pain away he can always take more. That is called titrating the dose.

You take as much as you need to get the effect you desire, wihtout any negative effects.

You sound like you are ready to roll....Good luck and keep us posted.
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