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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 23 hours ago #45386

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:( Hello all. I am new to this forum and I just started taking kratom for the first time.
I am 29 years old, 160 pounds 5-11 with no history of opiate or drug use with the exception of a week long hydrocodone regimen after a wisdom tooth removal procedure. Interestingly enough, I did not get hooked on Hydrocodone.
My reason/goal for taking kratom is to lower my stress and anxiety which stems from work.

I tried 3 different strains so far in sample packs from "OnlineKratom.com".
Here's my experience on an empty stomach:
Brahma Bali Caps- Dosed at 2 grams (4 caps).
-within 1 hour I felt agitated and developed a minor headache.
-waited a day and took it again this time at 3 grams (6 caps) felt very irritable and the headache got worse. I quit taking that strain because I figured it wasn't going to get any better at higher doses.
Mitra White Borneo caps- Dosed at 2 grams (4 caps)
- No headache with this one! However did not feel anything and therefore did not take my stress and anxiety away.
-waited a day and dosed at 3 grams (6 caps) no headache and no relief. I stopped taking it as I ran out of the samples.
Shiva Re Maeng Da- Dosed at 2 grams (4 caps) and felt nothing, no headache.
-waited a day and dosed at 3 grams (6 caps) also felt nothing and didn't experience a headache, but something weird happened the next day. I didn't dose the following day because I was running late for work. On my way to work I felt at peace and very "warm". It was such a euphoric and dare I say it "surreal" experience. I felt the effects all day and all my worries seemed to have disappeared. It wasn't a strong feeling, but a very subtle experience.
My question is this: Are my doses too low? And why would I feel the effects of kratom(if they are even attributed to the consumption of kraton) a day after?
I have 5 grams left of the Shiva Red Maeng Da. Should I up the dose to 4 grams? I don't want adverse side effects from taking too much kratom either.

I don't want to quit on kratom as it seems to be a life saver for a lot of people.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Thank you for taking the time to read and or answer my questions. :)
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 23 hours ago #45388

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hello jimjam welcome to the forum.

Kratom is subjective to the individual so strains and dosing varies to what's effective. Before you up any doses. Lower them. Headaches sometimes happen when the dose is too high for you.
For stress an anxiety order some green strains, try a moderate dose 1.5 up to 2 grams.

Suggestions try the Brahma (is that a mix or a red strain btw) 1.5 grams.
Whites for me do not reduced stress only feel stimulated. So no suggestions from me.
Try Red Shiva 2.5 grams.

Also you might have issues absorbing kratom in caps. Look into trying the powder, order a cheap pocket scale and repeat a trial with new samples. I loved my sample from Online kratom but they are very pricey especially if you are buying caps. (also you can take a pin and poke some holes in the caps before taking them)

If you need other suggestion for different vendors look at reviews here
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-vendors

My current weekly kratom is from
Inland botanicals
Pa Botanicals (they have caps- echecks take a week to clear for newbies)
Goldleaf/Insense
Re-leaf
Depends what you need for vendor recommendations like capsules, budget friendly, bulk buying.
If you have to take caps. Let me know I will dig up my list of the vendors who carry a good cap selection. Like -Nature's Cure

Good luck best!
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 22 hours ago #45390

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How you react to Kratom has a lot to do with what else is going on in your body. I had one experience of feeling agitated on Kratom. I started taking L-Theanine supplements and I have not had that again.
My favorite is Dark Red Mengda from Insense. I take other strains to mix it up, but that is the one I return to. I've never tried a white strain, but I find greens to give me a little lift.

My experience with capsules is that it delays the effect. I toss and wash on an empty stomach and I feel it in about 45 minutes. My average dose is two grams, sometimes less, sometimes a bit more.
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 22 hours ago #45391

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, Jimjam07!

Kratom helps with a vast array of symptoms we ail from. It seems to help different people with differing issues that have nothing in common.

There’s always a chance of that vendors’ product not jelling with your metabolism. But. I’d drop the doses even more than Nan70 suggested if those decreases are not enough.

Definitely try another vendor sample.

I have also had these delayed benefits seemingly out of nowhere (not connected to anything ingested that day). I kinda wonder if it is my colon taking that long to process it, but it seems like a large reach.

Sounds like you are going through “growing pains” of early experimentation - you will likely find your preferred sweet spot by continuing your tries. None of us get a ‘shortcut to the good part’.

Stick with it!
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 20 hours ago #45392

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hey jimjam!

many great suggestions! I really wanted to welcome you.

you WILL find your niche.

kratom has relief for everyone. past user or not. I have a very physical job that can be mentally stressful as well, and I use kratom for relief. nothing else has come close.

first, always on an empty stomach.

second, I recommend drinking in liquid ( like dissolve in a good quality juice ) or toss and wash. for your first 'starter' dose of the day. I use caps while at work to maintain. like 5 hrs later. green strains are typically best for mood. but if you need pain relief add in a more active red. red horn, mang da, and a couple borneos usually work well for that.

thirdly, look into other herbals to help with stress and anxiety. some options can be kava, kana, blue lotus, moringa, gaba, list goes on. theres many. and others that have a lot more experience than me.

benni botanicals has a great ground blue lotus that's reasonable, doesn't taste terrible, and doesn't make you sleepy.

but lastly I also recommend trying another company. trust me before I found this forum I got the gooble trap vendors too. im not saying theyre bad, never tried them. but theres a great GMP company that didn't 'work' for me either. just keep trying till you find stuff that works for you.

I highly recommend in sense/ gold leaf. they have a great price on a 3 ounce pack. kratom krates has another thread that they give away 3 oz of each mang da if you pay for shipping. I have it myself, awesome. inland carries a lot of samples, top extracts, natures cure, re-leaf llc in maine, COB, PDO, PA botanicals, so many great places. and most have discounts for us ILK folks too.

and of course you have us now! we can guide you in a way a vendor cant, legally.
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 15 hours ago #45397

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I'm not sure of the site etiquette here on dosage suggestions, but may I suggest you take a larger dose? I see "2g" mentioned above a few times. That may be an effective dose for some, or even many! But I started at 3-6g and noticed kratoms power right away. There was no denying it!

My dose is entirely too high now adays, so I may not be the best to give advice you want to follow.... just wanted to post to say that you can safely take many times the 2g dose that you are taking, and you may need to to get an effect.

Just be sure to use moderation, skip days, switch up the varieties AND source, take stem and vein, and have some boundaries with yourself. Life isnt always meant to be completely pain and anxiety free, so we need to roll with some punches now and then.
However I am fully aware that high anxiety can be extremely debilitating. I've been there, and from time to time I am there.

Kratom will absolutely help, but many people need a couple of teaspoons or a tablespoon size dose for a decently noticeable effect. IME!
This was an experimemt.
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 4 weeks 6 hours ago #45398

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I recommend trying powder but understand the need of some for the capsule option- here is a list of vendors approved by this forum who carry a good selection, price varies.
kratomdivine.com/products/kratom-caps-56-capsules-1
kratomkrates.com/product/kratom-powder-capsules/
naturescurekratom.com/product-category/buykratomcapsules/
nuearthbotanical.com/collections/capsules
pabotanicals.com/collections/new-product...ed-maeng-da-capsules
topextracts.com/product-category/kratom-capsules/

I do believe Online Kratom might be the only vendor that carries the sample size option in caps.

Also if interested ask a few of us about Other botanical options
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 3 weeks 6 days ago #45405

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hi prayer!

happy to have you here as well. I suggest anyone find their 'sweet spot' start with 2g. then if that doesn't work within an hour take another gram. but every company is different on my body and my doses are uncomfortably large as well.

some 'new to me' companies im fine with 3 or 4 gram but they are few and far between. I will do a full break come jan but I have had no leaf or stem/ vein for 3 days straight.

just don't want anyone vomiting or getting wobbles. no fun!

Oregon kratom also carries caps but they are sold out right now.

I got a 100 cap manual filler on amazon for less than 20. very easy. watch videos on you tube its easy to get the hang of it.
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 3 weeks 5 days ago #45424

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Hi there, I’m pretty new to kratom too. I have depression and anxiety, so when I want a mood lift, I take a green strain. I’m not a huge fan of capsules since you have to take so many. I got headaches with my early dosages too, so I lowered them. Sometimes I would go to bed with a headache and woke up with it too. The powder is the best; I take it with coffee or orange juice. It tastes awful but it works faster. I usually eat 15 minutes or so after taking them and wait 4-5 hours in between. I take 3g per dose (sometimes 4 if I’m mixing a green and a red). How you describe the Maeng Da is how I feel when I take it too.

I agree with what everyone else (more experienced users) have said. It takes awhile to find the right strains and the right dose. In a day, I take anywhere from 8-16g. It just depends on the anxiety or pain (sciatica) I am feeling that day. I rarely dose in the morning unless I wake up with high anxiety.

I also take L-Theanine for my anxiety, and I think it helps. Make sure you hydrate, even over hydrate. Kratom makes me pee A LOT and it’s easy to get dehydrated when you take it.

My first experience was with head shop capsules; they are super low grade and can cause headaches for sure. Reputable vendors are key. Also due to everyone’s unique physiology, a lot of trial and error is expected. I’ve been using kratom for a few months now and still have to experiment with the different strains.

You got this! Kratom has been a lifesaver for me.
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Worried Kratom might not work for me. 3 weeks 5 days ago #45433

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hey penny!

welcome to this wonderful family forum. youre able to help jumping in both feet already! happy to have you.

I can say I drink less coffee and more water since using kratom. but yes! pee ALOT!
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