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Questions 2 months 1 day ago #30986

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First of all I have to say that I think kratom and the community that is helping people here is phenomenal. I have had very good results from kratom. I am able to enjoy my life again. I was at a point in my life where I was considering using regular opiod painkillers and antidepressants to help me, but I did not want to, and kratom works. I do not want to use kratom every day. It feels like I should, but I don't want to. The day after taking kratom leaves me with a lot of anxiety and fear that if I were to use this it will be taken away, made illegal, etc. I know most people here use this every day and they need to use it every day, but I am wondering if anyone has had success using it only for days when they need to be prodcutive?

My back pain and depression are such that I was not accomplishing anything that I needed to, and I have been able to work on my house, my aunt's house who is disabled, and do so much. I've been able to express my appreciation for my family and I haven't done that adequately in 6 years. I think this plant is a miracle. I fear needing it and not being able to have it. Can it be frozen and what is the shelf life if frozen? Can it be used once a week, or once a month only? How do I help the anxiety the day after?

My apologies for posting this in the wrong place. Please move it to an appropriate sub-forum.
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Questions 2 months 1 day ago #30987

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Maybe start the topic under the sub forum Kratom Discussion or frequently asked questions. But all is good.

I was at a point in my life where I was considering using regular opiod painkillers and antidepressants to help me

My quality of life was getting less and less. I always used cortisone injections to manage my back pain to stay off painkillers(did this for almost a decade-this is no way to manage chronic pain)They finally recommended prescription opioids but after I needed;) to sign forms like I was making a deal with the devil I was like no I can't do this. They pushed anti depressants on me left and right, I finally told them not to ask me anymore.Luckily my orthopedic surgeon did not like the approach of anti depressants and was on my side. Somewhere after that I found Kratom.
You can take Kratom any schedule you need. The best point for me in taking kratom is its in my control. I managed my doses, my schedule, and tolerance issues. This is what I needed the most.
I do not think I have levels of anxiety like you. I recognize that anxiety is difficult. I have chronic pain that I manage everyday 24/7. I take kratom mostly daily twice a day weekdays, once a day weekends unless I need to do something physically demanding.
I have other botanicals and things I do for pain before kratom and I am always exploring more options.

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...natives#.W52cvOj26Ul

Kratom has and excellent shelf life, it needs to be stored in air tight dry place not frozen.
Classic reddit post- www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/52i6is/...s_of_kratom_samples/

We all have hope the AKA is successful I am glad what kratom has done for me and I have not adjusted my doses because of the fight we have ahead.
www.americankratom.org/

I have been taking kratom for about ten months and I have been through all these questions.

I do have what I call a preppers stash, I am always preparing for that zombie apocalypse.;)
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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, windyanimal. Great post topic! It’s easy to just START TYPING without paying attention to placement. No worries - folks will find it.

I often self-judge myself for ‘needing’ a substance to remain physically (and mentally) productive in society.

Physical dependence does not equal addiction. In my opinion.

Even today, I had to step outside 2 times during a 6 hour stretch of time at a family gathering to toss n wash. As opposed to my life before kratom, where I simply could not attend such a function and would have missed a gathering that means more than most things in life!

Each dose was 1.5 teaspoons. Had to be on my feet, plus we had a huge lunch/snacks which made my last dose useless and GONE.

I don’t get ‘high’. My physical pain and depression both pull weekend shifts, no weekends off.

I didn’t use it in the beginning all that much. Only the last 2-3 yrs have heen consistent use. I do take breaks if I’m sick - I have gone 3 - 4 days without even thinking of it, many times (I’m sick a lot!). I never THINK about needing kratom. I just suddenly KNOW I need it. With opiates, I was a clock watcher. ‘When can I take more? How much more can I take? How many are left before I see the dr? Will he refill them?’ etc.

I’m a recovering drug addict/alcoholic and kratom is certainly not a subject I can share openly with the Fellowship communities in which I belong. But there’s no way I would BE ABLE to be involved in helping others in the same Fellowships without the responsible, moderate use of the leaf.

It’s a very personal judgement call. I think ANYTHING destructive in my life regarding my behavior would be considered addict behavior. And I’d be ditching it (I’m currently on week 8 with no nicotine! I was a chain vaper).

I don’t consider my responsible use of the leaf - as addiction.

It’s very wise of you to ponder these issues for yourself and get other opinions to help you make a decision based on your moral expectations of yourself. Remember to treat yourself with kindness and love, like you would if a loved one confessed to you of kratom use, for example. What would you feel/do/say?

My loved ones know I use the leaf and they’ve seen me without it. They fully support my SOBER living because I’m a contributing member of the family now.

We are our own biggest critic. It’s not always necessary to criticize ourselves so much, but we do!

I am careful to be truly honest with myself about my kratom use.

If it’s bringing any destruction to your family life or keeping a job or raising kids or keeping you from pursuing important dreams, that’s where you gotta face addiction rather than dependence.

I also have a hoarders type of stash from the scares of Summer 2016. Most is still sealed, but I’ve gotten good results from those bags STILL. Panic buying now might put too much of an old favorite strain into storage like I did. But. Things could go quickly. Many vendors sold out their stock and closed up shop in the ban scare of 2016. There were plenty of resources to hoard during the height of the threat.

It’s not worth a lot of needless suffering. Kratom is not strong enough to help all of my pain or all of my depression. I still have work to do on myself and kratom is a wonderful tool. But it takes more than that to get my body/brain moving each day. My quality of life is improved. Not solved.

Hope this helps you work it out for YOU.
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Questions 2 months 20 hours ago #30991

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Thank you both. This makes me feel a lot better. I have had back problems since I was 9 years old. I should have had rods put in my back, but I just lived with a constantly shifting spine due to an unstable pelvis. My back and neck are constantly out of alignment, every vertebrae, and I have degenerative discs and gout. I have spent almost my entire life in pain. I was/am a drug addict as well with 13 years clean from heroin and cocaine. That is why I don't even want to ask for pain management. My best friend has been on methadone for over ten years and he is the person who told me about Kratom. If I could help him be functional again it would seem like everything in the world is right again.

I have been very physically active for the past week, and so I think I have needed to take kratom more than I would usually. I don't watch the time. I have hydrocodone and I don't even want to take any. I haven't touched it. It does not help my mood at all, it makes it worse. I had not noticed how irritable I've been for years and years until I took kratom. I have lived with pain for so long I just didn't notice. It was dampening all of my emotions and I was angry. I started to go to counseling before even talking about kratom with my best friend because I was about to throw my entire life away and go live alone. I was very angry. I can't believe how much I've accomplished lately, and I'm very glad to hear that it is possible to take kratom on my own schedule. I'm very happy to hear all of the things you both have shared with me.

I have been taking two teaspoons lately, but at first I was taking six capsules that appear to hold a teaspoon and it was white hulu from a headshop which may have contributed to my anxiety. Another thing that has contributed to my anxiety is not being able to believe that things can be this good. On heroin I couldn't function of course, but my mood was not truly better. I was very irritable and the stress of being homeless and driving 400 miles a day to support my habit was immense. I am never going to live that way again. Same goes for any rx pain killer. I've went through rehab 20 years ago, and have been on 6 different anti depressants in the past. None of them really worked except maybe Lexapro, but I still felt like crap most of the time. This may not be the best treatment for mental health issues, but it has been extremely helpful to me. I don't want to take mental health rx because I am a creative person and I want to feel every emotion, even pain sometimes, and to be clear headed when I do art. Art and music are the only reasons I got off hard drugs. I couldn't stand having given them up. I wanted the feelings they gave me back. I wanted my life back. Of course the tools rehab taught me were invaluable as well.

I was really struggling recently, and this has seemed to come out of nowhere at just the right time. Thank you again
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Questions 2 months 13 hours ago #30993

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I use it everyday and will continue to until I can't anymore lol. For me it gave my life back, after a long opiate addiction. I physically feel better and healthier,also mentally. My depression and anxiety cause from opiates has been cut down I'd say 70%, by using kratom . Especially after my body was finally rid of pharmaceuticals and give or take a month, it seems it all straightened out and I'm me again!! It keeps me focused and more productive than pills ever did. I go some days without just because, but ultimately compared to my anxiety and depression prior to kratom, when I go without kratom now it's a cake walk. Id say stock up , and yes you can freeze it jus make sure it comes to room temp after freezing before digging in lol hope this helps and good luck windyanimal!
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Questions 1 month 3 weeks ago #31106

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hi and welcome......well i take kratom everyday, but i have seen posts where other people use it every few days.....it is really trial and error, i do not think they are going to outlaw kratom, i know there are a few states that do...but i think they will come around, because it helps so with opiate withdrawl and getting off that crap....put a shout out to laurie, or madmax...or bomballey....also there are many others here on this wonderful forum to help you, god bless you dear......catspaw1955
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Questions 1 month 3 weeks ago #31237

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Thank you both! I am trying to get some money together to start stocking up. So glad it has a long shelf life. I figure my friend will go through an ounce a day and will need at least 10 kilos to get him a year away from methadone. I am praying you are right and they don't make it illegal katspaw. It would be inhumane.
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