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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 4 days ago #37124

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Hello and good morning to all. Wouldn't it be wonderful if people took responsibility for their own actions for once? I've always had to. This includes parents admitting they messed up their children. Children admitting that they have had a "bacchanalian" approach to all things that feel good? Misinformation to prohibitive law is fraud!!!

Just say NO to Nancy Reagan!!! Remember those horrifying words and times???? ACH !!! LOL My goodness. How my ears bled during the Reagan Bush years.

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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 4 days ago #37125

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Better, at least they're saying there's another side to the argument and the claimed deaths are questionable.

www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/us/kratom-overdose-deaths.html
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 4 days ago #37148

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Laurie wrote: Yes, many concerns among those who KNOW kratom users.

Even 100 deaths in 2,000 years is NOT MANY. People do DIE eventually. The articles are very convincing for loved ones and it’s an absolute crying shame that journalistic ethics of research and verification are completely lost in the Internet age.

Nobody lives FOREVER. People drop dead every day. That is not always the fault of the TEA they drank that morning, for crissakes. Pardon my french


Two thumbs way up! Truth is truth. I'd like to put forth a thought. The Federal is responsible for food safety. Established on May 15, 1862 the USDA is born. Patent medicines and all food stuffs under the Roosevelt administration: Pure Food and Drugs Act of 1906. The FDA is born. If the USDA is doing the inspections correctly then why are more people dying from E. Coli than from Kratom? If this efficacy of the Federal is probative involving ALL food stuffs then why do we have the E. Coli outbreaks AFTER Federal inspections? Beef and vegetables? Interesting that when we eat lettuce or other leafy greens the American public hears after they have eaten the leafy green's it's riddled with E. Coli? Something isn't adding up or someone isn't paying attention. And I know for a fact that there are good people in government whom are just as frustrated as portions of the American public. My question is thus: why put absolute trust in any Federal institutions that are supposed to watch out for the health and welfare of the American people when they have proven to be self serving, top heavy, inefficient bureaucratic nightmares? If the USDA and FDA were paying attention Monsanto would have never gotten away with the health crises that they have created! I don't hear the FDA calling for the dissolution of Monsanto. I find it interesting and absolutely distressing that the Federal cannot regulate their own agendas, at the cost of our Social Security by the way, but feel they have absolute authority over my body. When it being a "representative" government the people have no punitive recourse against it's own government. IF it's a truly representative government then people have to have the freedom and right to sue it's government for it's chicanery's! I am not anti government by a long shot. We need GOOD government. But I don't appreciate someone micturating on my back and telling me it's raining!

What the FDA isn't hearing, an unfortunately cannot understand, is that because of the healthcare problems, crisis, in America people feel the need to ADVOCATE for themselves. If you don't advocate for yourselves then good luck with that aspirin for the broken hip or gunshot wound!! And if anyone here thinks this isn't a strong possibility then you are sadly asleep or have magical thinking.

Be blessed and have a nice evening to all.
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 4 days ago #37149

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I hate that anymore, when you do a google search for kratom, these bu77sh!t propaganda articles are the first to show up!
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 4 days ago #37150

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Shemme wrote: I hate that anymore, when you do a google search for kratom, these bu77sh!t propaganda articles are the first to show up!


I couldn't agree more! Privacy died on 9/11.
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 3 days ago #37173

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Robie- theoretically the punitive recourse is voting that particular representative out of office.... The reality is that they've already done the favor and would likely just go into a more lucrative lobbying job.

Some people are greedy, greed leads to corruption.
Our government is made up of people, some of our government is corrupt.

I don't see an easy fix for this problem. Short of scrapping the entire Congress, forming some interim law creating body, and somehow designing an all encompassing enforceable code of ethics and, a mechanism for enforcing it.

I don't know if there was a time in US history when our government was not "pay to play", I seriously doubt it.

Take this current debacle going on. The Mueller report. Even if there was damning evidence in it, neither side wants to impeach. The Republicans because he's a useful distraction and will sign anything you put in front of him and show everyone how good he can scribble. The Democrats won't because him being in office is their best chance of taking back the white house in a couple years. You might get a rebuke or a censure just so the other corrupt politicians can somewhat distance themselves from it. The core of all of this is money and power and the sociopaths that seek it.

I'll stop now, this probably belongs in the rant section anyway.
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 3 days ago #37176

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Good morning ETC. Forgive me. I'm new here and didn't know their was a rant section. I don't like to rant. I think in many ways it's counter productive. But some of the governmental meddling is a sore point with me.

I'm over it. I had a day to stew about it. And money fuels politics. Thank you for the nudge. I appreciate it.

Be blessed and safe today.
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 6 months 3 days ago #37196

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Good morning. The rant comment wasn't aimed at you, it was a recognition of the rabbit hole I was going down.

Your comment about the FDA was on topic, my further dissection of core governmental corruption was going way off track. Regardless, not my place to tell others what they can say or where they can say it ... The mods will handle that.

As far as the FDA and outbreaks of e-coli, etc. It is the job of the FDA to establish guidelines for food and drug safety and along with the CDC and other agencies, to identify potential sources of public health threats. It isn't realistic to expect that they have the resources to test all the vegetables or Kratom that makes it to market, that would fall on the producers and ultimately on whoever puts their name on the product. Kratom currently is in the grey area of unregulated foodstuffs ? (herbs) which means it's not regulated as a drug. Anyone selling herbs is still required to not sell products tainted with pathogens. Actually most sellers say they don't condone ingesting it which is actually kind of a dangerous loophole, they know full well it is going to be ingested and testing should be mandatory. That would least get rid of some of the lousy vendors out there causing more damage to Kratoms reputation.

Anyhoo ... Just wanted to let you know I wasn't trying to moderate your comments.
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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 5 months 2 weeks ago #38319

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Looks like St Louis is trying to ban it.

www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/st...cd288d7c968.amp.html

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More deaths being attributed to kratom use... garbage 5 months 2 weeks ago #38322

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ETC wrote: Looks like St Louis is trying to ban it.

www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/st...cd288d7c968.amp.html

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How are you doing ETC? In Germany when Hitler came to power everything was "Verboten". Everywhere you went something was deemed Verboten. There is an old saying :You become that which you hate". I look around at this wonderful country and more and more I see things becoming "Verboten". Forbidden by the powers that be. And we have been stripped of the power to decide for ourselves what we will accept for ourselves what we wish to partake in. Even when there is no evidence that it is harming another soul. I doubt it's harming anyone. There will always be people who over indulge on any product. Cheese. Pork. Alcohol. Beef. Hotdogs. More die every day from tobacco and alcohol. But the nanny state is Sooo concerned about a plant that they have yet to figure out how to manipulate for their own greedy means. (protecting their PAC money to stay in office) There are people dying on a daily bases form too much fat in their venous system. Time to schedule butter, beef etc... Look at the individuals who die on a daily bases from over indulgence from alcohol. Die every day from strokes, heart attacks and cancer from tobacco. I demand as an American citizen that these products be scheduled and strictly controlled. Except for elected officials whom have the best health care, for free I might add, who can eat, drug and drink to their hearts content. The hypocrisy sickens me. I can not even begin to express the disdain I feel for these government officials, and their double standards, who deem themselves above the laws in which they pass. If the government wants to schedule Kratom then we as Americans have every right to demand from our elected officials that alcohol be scheduled also!!! What's good for the goose etc... We are not given the opportunity to decide for ourselves whether we want this product in our lives. That is not representative government. It's just the opposite of representative government. It's government for the 1 percent enforced by PAC driven Oligarchy. A lot like taxation without representation. I am not surprised that St' Louis is now trying to "Verboten" Kratom. And the people are not allowed to have a say in the matter. If the American people do not wake up to the fact that slowly and steadily all are civil liberties are being eroded then we will become that which we went to war to eradicate. I know. Many people will disagree with my radical view point. But we are already spied upon on everything we type into a computer. Everything we say into a cell phone and our land lines. This is much like the USSR in the 60's on heavy duty steroids.

America had better wake up. Because once the freedoms are gone they are next to impossible to get back. I hope all is well in your life ETC. I am being hammered by a very nasty flu. I've had it for close to a week and a half. I ask your patience in what seems my radical opinion concerning our Bill of Rights. The least the government could do is give us the choice. Those who do not want to take Kratom or Cannabis then peace be with them. Those of us that choose to improve our health and living conditions by taking said products are not hurting anyone. Much less an increasingly restrictive government that makes choices for us.

Be blessed and have a wonderful weekend.

Robie

P.S. After careful consideration I have decided to become a freedom of choice warrior. The double standards and lies are beyond anything that touches or comes close to the better nature of our common sense.
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