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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8016

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Okay ILK community, I got some questions I would like answered please. I used the search function of this forum and didn't find really any specific answers to my specific questions. If there is a thread that I may have overlooked while searching for answers, please point me or link me in that direction, thank you! I was asking a lot of questions in my Intro thread but figured nobody reads the Intro threads so decided to start a new one lol.

Now, I've got the gist of the three main types of Kratom (Red Vein, Green Vein, White Vein), but I have some questions for the red vein and white vein category.

With red vein strains (what I have been taking the most of lately) do you guys find that they take longer to take full effect (1.5-2hours) but then stay in full effect for roughly 4-6 hours? I'm finding that it's almost different for me every single dose. Sometimes it hits in 30-45 mins, other times it takes up to 2 hours to take effect. Also the first few times it lasted easily 6 hours. Now I'm starting to realize the effects wearing off by the 3rd or 4th hour.. Tolerance problem already? Haven't even been using kratom for more than a week n a half yet..

Now White Vein (which I've never tried yet) comes with more of the stimulatory properties, correct? How stimulating can this be? I want to try a white vein strain with some stimulation but not a ton. Personally, I don't like stimulants, but I would like to get ahold of a white vein strain that will allow me to be stimulated but without the jittery feeling a stimulant would usually bring with it. I don't know if when people say that white veins bring stimulation to them as in they feel like they've taken adderall/feel "cracked out" or if they just mean that it makes them more clear headed, alert, and awake in a subtle kind of way?

I want to get ahold of a white vein for purposes like waking up in the morning and needing to get chores or errands done but I don't want it to be over stimulating to the point it's overwhelming and irritating.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you ILK community. Continuing to love this herbal medicine and gaining control of my life back after stopping prescription opiates. Kratom has helped me in ways I can't even begin to explain to you guys. Again, thank you.
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8017

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I like your avatar picture it's awesome. I get the same thing sometimes when the kratom kicks in, sometimes I will feel it in like 40 minutes, and then sometimes it will take almost two hours for me to really feel it. I'm not sure what that's about, I know when my digestion is kind of backed up it will take longer to kick in. When taking whites I usually don't get the cracked out super stimulated feeling, it's more of a focused energy with an uplifted mood. With some though I can feel slightly anxious, but not with all whites. Lately I've just been taking mostly reds and greens. The tolerance thing is pretty normal, I usually will stop fully feeling the benefits of a certain strain, then switch to a different one and I get those benefits back (usually). I like to mix a red with a white once in a while because I get an even balance of effects. If you want to try a white, try a white horned or a white maeng da. Usually for me also is that the effects start wearing off in about 4 hours, but sometimes they will last longer. It's different with each individual, and you just have to try different strains, different doses, different times between doses, you will find your sweet spot eventually, and you will see what strains you like more. I've been doing the kratom thing for some time now and I'm still switching and trying new stuff still, It's fun because you can get desired effects by trying multiple different strains over the course of time. With each strain there are different alkaloid profiles so you can get the effects you desire by switching once you get used to a certain one. hope this helped a little.
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8018

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I'm glad your being conscience of your dosing and your benefits/ or lack there of. I personally write down the times, dose, and strain(s) every time. Then if I have a real good result I will have it journaled.

I'm going to confuse you even more here.

Yes across the board it goes Red, green, and white.

But with each different strain of a red, green or white - Usually depending on the region (not always) will you find the same results with each color.

A red thai can be more stimulating like a red Md can be. But a red borneo will more times than not have a more calming sedating feeling.

And this goes for the greens and the whites.

A good white will be uplifting like a cup of coffee. But without the jitters. I have never been "Cracked out" on kratom. I don't like to even use those terms.

Take about 2 grams of the white for your first dose. Always start out small when your getting a new strain. even if it's from the same vendor. Then judge your experience from there. If you need to raise it up 0.5-1.0 grams for the next time and see how that works for you.

A green will usually be in between a white and a red. It will have the stimulating properties of a white but the analgesic properties of a red.

I will sometimes blend my whites with a green or a red.

The amount of time your aroma will last will vary (Sorry) I have been using daily for a while now and I redose every 4 hours about. This is so I can get the benefits of the analgesic properties from kratom due to my chronic pain issues. Some people will dose twice a day. some will dose 3 times a day.

You are just going to have to see what works for you.

Great questions. Keep them coming...It shows you care and respect this plant and want the best benefits you can achieve. You'll start to get there. :)
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8020

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Thank you guys for the quick responses. It seems to be that the general consensus is that everybody will react somewhat differently to each strain and I just need to find my sweet spot for certain strains and mixes.

And also good to know about the white veins not being over stimulating. A white vein will be on my next order for sure then. I was going to order one with my last purchase but was too worried that white veins would bring me an overwhelming stimulation so I decided against it at that moment. Now I will try one.

One more question for you guys, do y'all find that if trying to redose, even if you still are feeling some little effects from the dose before, that it doesn't really help raise or enlighten the effects? It seems almost like a waste for me if I redose anytime before the dose before wears off. I have to wait for it to completely wear off if I want my next dose to work at it's intended level it seems like. I also notice that redosing too soon (before effects have worn off) will cause headaches for me. Is this possibly because of "too much kratom" since the dose before hasn't worn off entirely yet?

The reason why I'm so worried about being perfect when it comes to redosing is because of my chronic nerve pain in my back. Sometimes I get anxious when I notice the effects wearing off & my pain coming back so I want to redose right away but can't until they have completely worn off. So basically I have to redose once the effects have worn off, which means I'm in pain, then have to wait the 1.5-2 hours for it to kick back in at full effect again... Just trying to figure out how I can manage the pain throughout the entire day as best as possible by being precise with my redosing and time intervals of redosing.
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8022

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A safe bet when re-dosing is do it no sooner than 4 hours after the first dose. That should keep you straight. If you do it too soon you may get dizzy or headaches like you said.
~Jason
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8023

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Thank you for your advice Cybin.

Another question for y'all: when you redose, do y'all take the same amount, lesser amount, or more than the previous dose? Assuming that the effects have completely worn off from the first dose, would it be possible to take a lesser amount than the first dose to still achieve the desired effects? Or would one always have to take more on the second/third dosage than the first dosage when redosing to reach desired effects?
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 5 months ago #8026

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I usually stick to the same amount every time. I try to anyway, sometimes I will bump it up or down according to how potent it is.
~Jason
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 4 months ago #8067

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The Kratom Effects from every single Dose can depend on what you've had to eat before, How long ago did you take your last dose etc. Every single dose will not be the same. Everybody reacts to Different Kratom Strains Differently. It can Vary quite a bit. Some Batches of Kratom have more Alkaloids than others. Each Kratom Batch will differ even from the Same Vendor. I am still learning about Kratom even after 7 Years.

Red Strains are usually more relaxing & for pain.
White Strains are usually more stimulating & Energizing but don't last as long as other strains.
Everybody will react differently to each Kratom Strain. :huh:
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can.
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 4 months ago #8087

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Got another question for y'all. So much to learn here lol. Anyways, how do you guys feel about mixing strains from the same vein? As in mixing two different red vein strains together. Or mixing two different green vein strains and so forth.
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Questions - Red & White Vein 1 year 4 months ago #8099

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I do it all the time.

Different greens and different strains (And different vendors) have different medicinal benefits. So By blending them I get an aroma that is a crossbreed of the two with an off-shoot of some other form of an aroura :)

But still be careful of same strain syndrome(and Tolerance) this works because I have a plethora of different strains from different vendors.
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