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TOPIC: Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs?

Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18960

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I ran across a kratom review on youtube and the reviewer said that the red borneo was energetic and the white borneo was relaxing. I said that I have never heard of a red borneo being energetic and this was his response:
I've been dealing with Kratom for a long time now. There's no doubt in my mind a true red strain is energetic while any other is more mellow. If it's not, then it's not red. There are a lot of "red veins" going around that aren't even red. There's also a lot of blogs and people making things up. Even in color psychology the color red is a stimulating color, and according to observations made by people for centuries, including some of the worlds most brilliant minds, colors indicate the properties of the ethnobotanicals that we choose to use. Thus, the color of a plants flowers or leaves, can help us determine the type of effects it produces. True red strains are the speediest Kratom varieties on the planet. If it's not, then it's not red. Even farmers in Indonesia can confirm this. If you were here and 10 other people and I blind folded all of you and dosed half of you with red and half of you with greed, I guarantee you would all tell me that this red Borneo is energetic. I believe you when you say what you say but I think you had consumed strains that were mislabeled. I wouldn't put it past certain vendors to label a green as a red because they ran out of it. I mean, people do stuff like that. Humans tend to be sketchy at times, and as a whole this proves consistent. Truth be told, if you were to try the red from phyto, it would look red every time, and it would be energetic every time. True reds are up, whites seem kinda in between to me not tooo hardcore on the sedative but not too speedy either, somewhere in the middle.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18963

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Some people react the opposite to the way most of us react. This guy may be one of them. I've seen some 10% of folks who claim that reds keep them up all night, while whites put them to sleep.

That being said, from what I've heard, the Red Vein strains are the strongest in their content of alkaloids because they are from the most mature trees. Whites are the youngest, least alkaloid-rich, so they have very little of the 7-OH-Mitragynine and perhaps more of the adrenergic mitragynine as a percentage of their alkaloid ratio.

But, in my body, reds generally are a sedating strain and greens or whites are stimulating.

It may take a Quantum physicist to figure all this out, but I don't perceive that mislabeling of vein colors happens much with reputable farmers.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18964

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Good post. The Super Red Borneo i ordered from SoCal thinking it would be excellent for sleep, is speedy def energizing strain. The Red Borneo from Hawksbill is relaxing. It's wierd but the reds I had ( wild Thai, red MD, super red Borneo all stimulating. My collection is of reds and some are def green in color. Who knows? But I've heard others confirm what Paul is saying about affecting some opposite.) all interesting,,
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18966

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kobegirl wrote:
Good post. The Super Red Borneo i ordered from SoCal thinking it would be excellent for sleep, is speedy def energizing strain. The Red Borneo from Hawksbill is relaxing. It's wierd but the reds I had ( wild Thai, red MD, super red Borneo all stimulating. My collection is of reds and some are def green in color. Who knows? But I've heard others confirm what Paul is saying about affecting some opposite.) all interesting,,

I have to wonder if labeling is part of the issue here. I mean how do you really know what you are getting as there is no standardized method of labeling.

The Super Red Borneo from my vendor is very definitely sedating after about 1 - 2 hours.larger doses more so.

Red Maeng Da, Red Bali, and Red Thai are all rated higher than the Red Borneo for stimulation, but I do not find them overstimulating like the white strains which may have the same rating.

Good idea to stick to a single vendor I think once you find the strains that are working for you.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18973

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The Effects from the Same exact Strain can Vary from Vendor to Vendor because of the Different Suppliers & can vary from batch to batch from the same supplier. The same strain from another batch can have more of a certain alkaloid or alkaloids that can make it either more sedating or more stimulating or it could depend on the person because everybody reacts differently to each & every strain. Kratom is just so very complex.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18974

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Very well said and totally true. Perfect! Sooo many variables so interesting. a red Bali From X is ur fav of 4 vendors u tried their red Bali, then your next order of your fav strain from X might not work for you at all. Don't love the inconsistencies much but how it is.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18983

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i still curious about that too, since right now the weather here are inconsisten and most rainy so there are many factor that can make any batch different (natural and human).
but have you tried your white strain that give energy and you add more dose than it will become sedative?
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18986

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kratom asia wrote:
i still curious about that too, since right now the weather here are inconsisten and most rainy so there are many factor that can make any batch different (natural and human).
but have you tried your white strain that give energy and you add more dose than it will become sedative?
When taking whites, I keep my dosage fairly low to try to keep it more in the stimulating range. I haven't tried taking a higher dosage of white, anything over 4 grams in order to try to bring relaxation.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18987

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madmaxnightrider wrote:
The Effects from the Same exact Strain can Vary from Vendor to Vendor because of the Different Suppliers & can vary from batch to batch from the same supplier. The same strain from another batch can have more of a certain alkaloid or alkaloids that can make it either more sedating or more stimulating or it could depend on the person because everybody reacts differently to each & every strain. Kratom is just so very complex.
That's for sure. I have two red Borneo's that are somewhat different. It's not a night and day difference but I can tell there is a difference.
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Are true reds really stimulating or is the is a bunch of bs? 5 months 3 weeks ago #18988

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kemppaulh wrote:
Some people react the opposite to the way most of us react. This guy may be one of them. I've seen some 10% of folks who claim that reds keep them up all night, while whites put them to sleep.

That being said, from what I've heard, the Red Vein strains are the strongest in their content of alkaloids because they are from the most mature trees. Whites are the youngest, least alkaloid-rich, so they have very little of the 7-OH-Mitragynine and perhaps more of the adrenergic mitragynine as a percentage of their alkaloid ratio.

But, in my body, reds generally are a sedating strain and greens or whites are stimulating.

It may take a Quantum physicist to figure all this out, but I don't perceive that mislabeling of vein colors happens much with reputable farmers.
I agree that mislabeling probably doesn't happen too often. It sounded more as the reviewer was promoting a particular company. It was almost as he was saying this company is the only company that doesn't mislabel kratom.
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