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TOPIC: Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder?

Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 1 month 1 week ago #45289

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Hi, I've been scouring the internet and can't find any information on crushed leaf that sounds reliable. I've been watching ilovekratom for a while but have never posted. I'm experienced with t&w powdered kratom but not with crushed leaf. I bought a kilo of Red Vein Remahan crushed leaf from a reliable vendor and it doesn't smell at all like powdered kratom.
Is this typical? I'm having visions of it being swept up from some dirty floor or something. Also, if anyone has good advice on making tea with it, I'd be grateful. There is a lot of conflicting info on making tea. I'm attaching a photo if that helps. Thanks!
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 1 month 1 week ago #45290

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, roberts!

I’m not helpful for discerning the smell of kratom. My nose is not sensitive enough. I’m super curious as to why you got a full kilo of crushed leaf without a plan. But it makes a lovely tea by simply using a tea strainer and heated water. The less complicated approach is often the most beneficial, but other folks will post alternative suggestions for you.

Might depend on the benefit sought - pain relief versus mood lifting, etc.
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 1 month 1 week ago #45293

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Thanks Laurie. I had heard that one can make tea from it and the price was right. I expected it to have a similar taste and smell to powdered kratom but was surprised to find that it doesn't. Maybe it has to do with how it's processed compared to powdered, but I'm hoping someone here can help me out on that.
I did make tea with it but would be hard pressed to call it "lovely". It was pretty bad tasting, and I do not find powdered kratom offensive at all.
Anyway, thanks for the welcome and we'll see if anyone can chime in. I generally use it for pain relief. 7 knee surgeries and now a torn rotator cuff...
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 1 month 1 week ago #45294

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roberts wrote: Hi, I've been scouring the internet and can't find any information on crushed leaf that sounds reliable. I've been watching ilovekratom for a while but have never posted. I'm experienced with t&w powdered kratom but not with crushed leaf. I bought a kilo of Red Vein Remahan crushed leaf from a reliable vendor and it doesn't smell at all like powdered kratom.
Is this typical? I'm having visions of it being swept up from some dirty floor or something. Also, if anyone has good advice on making tea with it, I'd be grateful. There is a lot of conflicting info on making tea. I'm attaching a photo if that helps. Thanks!


Yes, crushed leaf tastes and smells different usually, at least mine does. I mainly use in teas, not for T&W (I only use powder for that), but tasting it is much more mild and bearable. Same with the smell. I suspect that this is from the lack of surface area that it has vs. the powder (finely ground allows much more absorption of both smell and tastes).

I use a cast iron kettle with a stainless built in stainer for mine. I typically mix in some blue lotus petals and some oolong, black leaves, or matcha. Warm to 180-185 and allow to cool. Pour and then add some honey and pass out :)

Feel free to ask me anything.
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 1 month 1 week ago #45295

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What up brother Roberts !!??

My guess as to the smell is that the kratom is in a more whole form, not ground up which would release more / different aromatic compounds through more exposure to oxidation ... should smell like dried leaves lol!!
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 1 month 1 week ago #45302

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hey Roberts!

glad to have you here you came to the right place! we can learn together I just got my first bag of crushed leaf about a month ago. by accident. literally. the vendor made up for this 'mistake' but told me to keep it. had no clue. I made a couple small pots for 1 so far.

I also use the leaf for pain and my tolerance is pretty high. I use kratom to work; and I work on my feet so my experiences might vary a bit.

I use a steel cylinder infuser and fill it. never measured the amount, just stuffed it in. holds about 3 tablespoons of product or so ( I know that weighs less than powder ) and it was enough to make about 3 8oz servings. or 2 monster cups.

it gave me a different feeling. not bad just different. but the effect isn't as in your face as powder. now that its getting cold ill make more for a night wind down. and yes a good amount of honey. maybe lemon and/ or ginger even add a regular lea bag for flavor.

I hope you finds what works with you.
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 4 weeks 6 hours ago #45541

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Thank you all for the replies. I've been enjoying my powders so much that I have not tried the crushed leaves again, but when I do I will report back in case it's helpful to anyone. I'm also growing my own plant, so hopefully one day I'll be able to make my own crushed leaves!
Anyway, as far as the difference in smell, the proposed hypotheses just don't make sense to me. I don't know why the further pulverizing into a powder would release elements that are not smelled in the crushed leaves. As an example, I use coffee beans, which apparently are related to kratom.
Coffee beans smell like coffee. Ground coffee smells like coffee. Brewed coffee smells like coffee.
Maybe you guys are right that there are additional components released with the further grinding, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Just my $.02, not trying to pick a fight.
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 4 weeks 6 hours ago #45542

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roberts wrote: Thank you all for the replies. I've been enjoying my powders so much that I have not tried the crushed leaves again, but when I do I will report back in case it's helpful to anyone. I'm also growing my own plant, so hopefully one day I'll be able to make my own crushed leaves!
Anyway, as far as the difference in smell, the proposed hypotheses just don't make sense to me. I don't know why the further pulverizing into a powder would release elements that are not smelled in the crushed leaves. As an example, I use coffee beans, which apparently are related to kratom.
Coffee beans smell like coffee. Ground coffee smells like coffee. Brewed coffee smells like coffee.
Maybe you guys are right that there are additional components released with the further grinding, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Just my $.02, not trying to pick a fight.


I enjoy talking about these things. It's just like fruit and coffee. Take just one coffee bean and smell it. Sure it smells like coffee, but the moment you crush it into fine powder, the smell grows in intensity. When you brew just one bean worth, the smell gets even stronger, as those parts are able to fill the air with the water vapor. Just like cutting into an apple or orange. The smaller the pieces, the more aromatic something is. This is why you don't see a huge pine log in a potpourri dish; the small pieces are able to release their aroma better.

just bounce your powdered kratom bag around a bit. See the kratom smoke of particles in the air? They're much easier to smell when they can make it to your nose. The crushed leaf isn't that fine, so the particles don't travel far.
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 4 weeks 4 hours ago #45544

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Nobody has room for a decadent huge pine log, either! Hahahaha
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Why does crushed leaf smell and taste different than powder? 4 weeks 4 hours ago #45545

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Oh contraire mofraire!!! Lol my pine log collection is getting to be quite respectable!!!

All sorts of factors might come into play about the intensity of smell flavor or the lack of ... freshness... curing .... and I would think that the terpenes / aromatics would be released upon grinding ... creating more intense smell and flavor ... I agree with Fused Flora about the coffee example , upon grinding the beams ... more fragrance and flavors released !!

Have you tried the leaf yet ...? How was it ?

Happy Sunday , and to all a great quality batch of kratom !!! (L)
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