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Are there vendors out there that know about the alkaloids AND some pharmacology? 2 weeks 4 days ago #27755

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Hi all . am wondering if it might be a Big Ask to find a vendor who knows what the basic compounds are in most pain killers and also in most strains of kratom. Am curious because I know most pain killers in the codeine family act like speed on me, and also nauseate me. A little straight morphine is ok to some extent but still make it hard to sleep. Tramadol is the least offensive but still .. the insomnia, especially if I up the dose enough to where it calms down the pain enough so I have a chance at resting. I am not a heavy user, maybe 1 50mg tab does me.
I'd like to find a vendor that can take my reaction into consideration and then recommend some product that will help me steer clear of those strains that are most like codeine, vicodin, oxy etc if that makes sense. They make me more sick and sleepless than pain free.
Any one have any ideas? Am I dreaming the impossible? Also I wanted to tag a couple of members here that had @chemist in their user names but not sure how to find them again to copy their names LOL
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Are there vendors out there that know about the alkaloids AND some pharmacology? 2 weeks 4 days ago #27756

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Look in our approved vendor section. Christopers organic botanicals and Re Leaf llc
Try christopers jong kong variety and try re leaf llc maximum glee and nerv
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Christopher's Organic Botanicals site list the alkaloids and the pharmacological properties of the alkaloids found in kratom. www.christophersorganicbotanicals.com/Kr...-alkaloids-s/115.htm
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gmantheman wrote: Christopher's Organic Botanicals site list the alkaloids and the pharmacological properties of the alkaloids found in kratom. www.christophersorganicbotanicals.com/Kr...-alkaloids-s/115.htm

Thanks for the link! Now I just need to find someone to match them up to prescription pain killers LOL Also I am under the impression that strains have different alkaloids profiles ... am I mistaken?
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Thefrogshateme wrote: Look in our approved vendor section. Christopers organic botanicals and Re Leaf llc
Try christopers jong kong variety and try re leaf llc maximum glee and nerv

Thanks for the suggestions. I just became a member of Re-Leaf. Are your two suggestions NOT like prescription pain killers? Just trying to match up the info you prided here w/ what I am looking for.

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Thefrogshateme wrote: Look in our approved vendor section. Christopers organic botanicals and Re Leaf llc
Try christopers jong kong variety and try re leaf llc maximum glee and nerv

Thanks for the suggestions. I just became a member of Re-Leaf. Are your two suggestions NOT like prescription pain killers? Just trying to match up the info you prided here w/ what I am looking for.

None of them are like narcotic pain killers. It is a painkiller but imagine something that relieves pain, and a super quick anti depressant all in one. If I'd compare it to anything I'd say adderal. You will feel wonderful and to keep the tolerance low only dose 2 grams at a time until you get used to it and buy a lot of varieties. Every vendor has different types of kratom at different levels. Buy two strains from COB and from Re leaf and you'll see what I mean.

Red is for bed, white is for energy, and green is energy and moodlift

Any kratom color, any kratom vendor you will puke if you take more then your tolerance will handle start at 2 afterwards keep it between 2 and 5......

I did not do that I'm dosing 15 to 30 grams a day. I feel less effects then people that's been doing it years because of it.
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Kratom's alkaloids are completely unrelated to morphine and the opioid family of drugs, so I'm not sure there will be any direct comparison of the effects. I have noticed that maybe 10% of those who use Red Vein kratom for pain find that it keeps them awake at night, which is just the opposite reaction to the response most people have to Red Veins.

Most kratom contains more than 20 alkaloids and some of them have antidepressant activity, as does Tramadol. Most strains of kratom also have some stimulation of the adrenal glands, especially the White Vein and the Green Vein varieties. But, for most people, all these alkaloids create a very balanced and gentle positive mood, with some pain relief and some energy.

Jeff at PDObotanicals, one of our approved vendors was studying to be a pharmacist, when he dropped out to become a kratom vendor, so he might have some ideas. My suspicion is that you will need to try small doses of Red Veins, Green Vein varieties, and White Veins to find how your body responds. The short answer is that the compounds in opioid pain killers are not the same ones that are found in kratom. At all.

Buy a sample pack and try each one separately -- taking notes on what your body's reaction was to each -- and let us know what worked best for you. It's an interesting question. Thanks for posting!
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I have read that the pain killing alkaloids (mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynin) in 2Gm of Kratom are about the same strength as about 8 -16 mg of codiene.

HOWEVER, They offer MORE pain relief for me than 60 mg of codiene, but then I have an opioid history.

SO as others have indicated this is highly individual, AND a great deal depends on the state of your opiate receptors. Opiate naive individuals can get good relief with much less Kratom becasue they do not have as many opiod receptors to satisfy.

One of the biggest mistakes people make (including the FDA) is to assume that these alkaloids ARE opioids simply be cause they attach themselves to the opioid recptors.

The alkaloids in Kratom are NOT opioids, the chemical structure is different, so they should not act the same way in your individual case. BUT the only way to find out is to try.

Start low and go slow.
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Are there vendors out there that know about the alkaloids AND some pharmacology? 2 weeks 4 days ago #27777

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"Kratom's alkaloids are completely unrelated to morphine and the opioid family of drugs, so I'm not sure there will be any direct comparison of the effects. I have noticed that maybe 10% of those who use Red Vein kratom for pain find that it keeps them awake at night, which is just the opposite reaction to the response most people have to Red Veins."

Thanks so much ...this is what I wanted to know. So it would be an apples to oranges comparison. And it sounds like I may run into the whole insomnia thing with kratom too, sigh. Ah well. Been having some hit or miss success with some of the reds I have tried so far. Some of them also make me hyper sensitive/emotional, an effect noted by some other users on some of the reddit forums.
Appreciate all the suggestions and help, was just hoping I could zoom in on particular strains and avoid those that I know would cause me trouble. Guess I am resigned to trial and error just like everyone else :D
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Are there vendors out there that know about the alkaloids AND some pharmacology? 2 weeks 3 days ago #27787

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missred,
There is a learning curve, but it is tolerable.
You are in a good place here.
Best,
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