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Stem And Vein Partial Tolerance Break - any Suggestions 2 weeks 6 days ago #36476

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Well I Just received 500g of Stem and Vein from Ohio Botanicals. Came in and it's browner and courser then regular Kratom. I capped around 200 840mg capsules. It appears to be pretty much the same as the Stem and Vein that I've bought else-ware previously. A light brown.

Around 2 weeks ago I found that taking Kratom in the morning works as well as Provigil. Without Provigil I become very tired in the mornings, almost falling asleep at my desk.

So I didn't order my Modafinil and have been taking in the Morning to combat sleepiness. I'm trying to figure out how to bring back the magic.

Problem is that since then my use has gone up some of the Magic is gone. previously I was only taking Kratom 1x a day after 3:00pm. What's tricky is that I need that morning dose of Kratom to energize me.

What I'm planning on doing is take my morning dose and then every 5-8 hours take Stem and Vein.

Will this work. Other suggestions about how to taper but not give up that Morning Dose would sure be appreciated.

I have sleep studies scheduled next Month to eliminate Sleep Apnea for the tiredness.
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Stem And Vein Partial Tolerance Break - any Suggestions 2 weeks 6 days ago #36478

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I’m on my way out the door now, but I just posted vaguely about this very topic in another thread.

I’ll be happy to share what’s helping me now with that stem n vein.

Later tonight !
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So I have increased depression and anxiety and increasing my kratom dose size makes no diff in benefit. So I was desperate enough to start the stem n vein to get my small doses working more effectively for me.

I take the morning dose and mid morning dose as usual. Then the third dose of the day is stem n vein. Same dose size as I normally take of kratom, so this will likely be different for you. The only thing I really wanted to add is taking the stem n vein was needed every 2-3 hrs in evenings. Not waiting 5-6 hours.
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Stem And Vein Partial Tolerance Break - any Suggestions 2 weeks 5 days ago #36500

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Thanks Laurie, sounds like Solid Advise.

I never would have thought of doing it that way myself. And all the literature says that Stem and Vein lasts longer. So the 3 hours is a good tip.

Going to follow your instructions during the weekdays.

I'll be sure to check back into the thread with my results.

Only difference is I'm debating on the Weekends to go down to 1 dose of regular around 3:00 pm. And Stem and vein as needed before and after that.

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What I did is not necessarily the right way at all! I tend to dose as needed. I don’t follow instructions with kratom too much because we’re all so different.

Do what YOU find your body needs. I’ve gotten cocky and plan to go all day with just stem n vein (as needed) and no kanna. Part of a full detox I feel I need to really examine what is my depression and what could be “interference from stuff I’m using improperly”. So please follow the literature over what I’m doing! Or the literature first and what your body says next. THEN my experience.
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An interesting update.

The loss of the magic coincided when I bought and tried material from New suppliers. Yesterday and today I went back to the old material and it's hitting me hard.

Going to make me sad if true because the New Suppliers are pricier than my regular suppliers. And I'm sitting on over 1kg Sigh...

I'm going to hold up rating or commenting on the new suppliers because it's possible that the material is good but I just need time to accustom to it.

Going to continue with the Stem and Vein plan and see what happens.
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SO MANY VARIABLES and oddities...

Thank you for sharing your experiment.

I hope you are feeling better! That’s the most important thing!
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Well following the plan didn't last long.

I took a normal dose of Stem and Vein as my 3rd dose of the day and no mood enhancement also still felt tired. So I took 1/2 my normal dose of regular and am feeling the love. Not as strong as a full dose.

I think that I'm going to go to a full throttle Dose for the first dose of the day. Then a Dose of stem and vein + 1/2 dose of regular as my 2nd and 3rd dose of the day and depending on how I feel and play it by ear.
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Stem And Vein Partial Tolerance Break - any Suggestions 2 weeks 4 days ago #36562

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Hi kratering and Ilk friends,

I had 1/2 TEAspoon green maeng da this morning with stem n vein. I felt it, but not in a helpful way. Been having stem n vein since. I’m pretty grumpy, but the runny nose was controlled quickly with Claritin (it’s pollen season here). Curious how you and connor are doing.
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