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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39524

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Hello everyone,

I started Kratom a few weeks ago and have a question I hope someone can help me with. I started taking opiods about ten years ago for cancer and cancer complications. I got sick of the merry go round and high tolerance that had formed. Kratom has been helpful I take it once a day. I buy products from CBDKRATOM IN THE Chicagoland area. I do feel tolerance is also building up quickly which is disappointing because I am not abusing it. Overall it is really helping and I hope to manage pain symptoms 90 percent with kratom and 10 percent with traditional opioids when I have to go in for cancer surgeries or have severe flare ups. My major question is those times I need surgery or have a flare up will it be as I have not been on opioids, or will the kratom make it seems as I never stopped keeping my tolerance to opiods very high? That's A huge worry of mine.
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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39527

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Welcome galen to the best dadgum forum on the interwebnet! I'm sorry to hear about you issues. That's a tough on. Nan and Laurie will be along shortly to help you with your questions. You are among the most loving and caring people on the interwebnet. We all truly care about each other,. I would help but I'm very new to Kratom and still learning myself or I'd be happy to answer your questions. Trust meon this. You are in the right place for help.

Be blessed galen and welcome!

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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39530

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Hey welcome to this amazing community,Like with most things tolerance can become a reality but with mindful strain rotations and keeping your dose at the same level/amount tolerance can be nagated… pretty effectively. But here is the honey moon phase of kratom and after awhile those first few months of use are no longer the same ... I’ve been using Kratom for two years and I still get the effects that matter to me , pain relief cut by 80-90%, depression and anxiety management better than anything I’ve experienced yet.

So I thougts are keep a variety of strains around, purchase from a handful of vendors as their Kratom will have a diff alkaloid profile than other vendors even if it’s the “ same strain”.....

It’s more than possible to continue getting benefits in the ways you need, but it will change somewhat , keep your dose the lowest as possible to get relief and mix up strains regularly, also blending diff strains can be very effective when other choices aren’t working ...

But like most of us have experienced, one day you get results of one strain, and a different day not the same , no guarantee for consistency ....

Please stick around as others will chime in and add to this thread

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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39531

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As far is taking opioids or opiates after taking Kratom,You may have increased tolerance to pain medication, not always but it’s possible… My lady had a hernia repair and use the Kratom right up till the night before the day of surgery and didn’t seem to have much issue with anesthesia or the effects of the pain medicine she took for three days after her procedure… after two or three days of being on pain meds she switch back to Credo them with no he’ll affect from getting off the pain pills even though it was a short amount of time sometimes people can have a experience were there emotionally feeling intense or sweating out a bunch of pharmaceuticals… In the crate him she said was in her opinion much more effective and in anyway is better than the pain medicine she was given

So far it’s the best tool that I found and has changed my life in ways I didn’t think possible, then people with more experience will chime in soon… I’m sure
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Agreed!

Glad she’s through that ordeal!

I noticed reduced response to synthetic meds in hospital also. Needed more once to complete the viewing of my colon. Unfortunately that is the one procedure where “just use more kratom first or pack some” won’t be handy dandy! Haha
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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, galenajen!

My above post was in relation to Somethingsacred’s comments (I failed to scroll up all the way to see your questions).

In most cases, we have a higher tolerance. So your concern is valid.

If you are ALREADY having tolerance issues, I would be concerned about the product you’re consuming. That name is not an approved vendor for discussion here (so I moved the thread to our area for discussing all vendors) and I wonder if you’re using just kratom or enhanced product? It’s not typical to have higher tolerance so new on your kratom journey. But, as you explained your bouts with cancer management, and you are still using 10% synthetic opiates, that can definitely make matters worse for you.

As a remedy in advance, I would recommend expanding the length of time between ingesting either kratom or synthetic pain meds. The more time IN BETWEEN DOSES, the lower your tolerance.
You are not yet getting the full benefits of kratom. So the best is yet to come, as it really helps with pain MORE than the meds you’ve come to rely on.

But you can figure that out on your own time when you’re good and ready, emotionally!

I hope you have something for anxiety as well, because this issue will NOT cause you pain in the hospital, I assure you. But it WILL give you visions of pain in your mind related to your history in hospitals and that anxiety is very powerful. Try not to PANIC and needlessly suffer from thinking about this issue. It’s not easy! Let us know if you have more questions and need a few tips on relaxation techniques for relieving anxiety because anxiety makes a mess of our decisions and judgement.

Glad you found the forum and I hope you’ll consider looking at shopping with the Approved Vendors. It will be a huge relief to know your product is free of contaminants and is 100% quality. Head shops are not even provided the choice to buy better quality. They cannot get it and do not sell it.

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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39542

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Laurie wrote: Agreed!

Glad she’s through that ordeal!

I noticed reduced response to synthetic meds in hospital also. Needed more once to complete the viewing of my colon. Unfortunately that is the one procedure where “just use more kratom first or pack some” won’t be handy dandy! Haha

¡Laurie! ¡ Mi precioso conejito de playa! Te estás viendo hermosa como siempre. ¡ Siempre es un placer verte!

Be blessed. Tu admiradora no tan secreta.


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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39545

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I can expand on this a little bit from my experience as I rotate every few days between Kratom and gabapentin. If I feel my kraton tolerance going up, ill switch a few days to the gabapentin, and when I switch back to the Kratom I have noticed that my tolerance had diminished. So taking the opiods and the kraton, although providing similar relief, neither has gotten in the way of the other and I find it a great tool to lower tolerance on both ends. Especially since like Laurie said, the longer you can wait to take your Kratom the lower your tolerance will be and the more benefits you should receive. My word is not bible, but based on my experience, rotating the two has tremendously assisted in keeping my tolerance down. Hope this helps a bit!
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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39554

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Hey hon, I'm new here to but not new to the kratom/opioid war. I can add this. Once you get a tolerance to synthetic opioids it NEVER goes back down. Unfortunately your body cannot be reset. I was recently given a narcotic for a kidney stone in the ER (dilauded). I havent had synthetic opioids before this for probably around 5 years and it had no pain relieving effect on me. Just like if I had been a daily user. I can see using both to spread it out or keep a decent level of pain. Right now we are using a combo of the kratom and tring to get to a lower dose of subutex. Only take 1 8mg pill per day. Down from 3 per day. The kratom will help more than u realize. Also do find an approved vendor and mix your strains. Good luck. I know the struggle is real. Noone knows your pain better than you.
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Kratom and opiods 3 months 2 weeks ago #39563

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Hello welcome to the forum,

Its hard to say why tolerance builds for some people. For myself I rotate different strains from a few different vendors. I do not take enhanced kratom or kratom extracts. I weigh all my doses and keep them the same. I also take turmeric with all my kratom doses.
I post this link for a fyi when I hear tolerance question.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4352596/

Also we have a nurse on this forum, bomalley, who I think is currently enjoying a vacation if she pops in maybe she can add to this discussion or you can try searching her username for prior conversations.

We have a few members who have balanced Kratom with their opioid medicines. For accute pain/post surgery pain its usually better to take the prescription medicines to manage pain with a plan to taper off them and replace kratom back into the routine.
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