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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37350

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Hey,

Exactly Laurie, a lot of opioid users I've dealt with, "a ton" usually start off on a legitimate reason, then and after prolonged use keep using it just to feel a sense of normalacy, so when I talk to these men and woman I don't jump to the conclusions and do what a lot of people and doctors fo, and ask them "don't you know what your doing!!!", of course they know, they do it every day to feel human, now let me day those are the 1s I help, people that ask me uhhhh can you get a high or buzz off it..... nope, I don't think you would like it lol
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37288

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This was really SAD but educational and I appreciate your sharing how this stuff happens.

Here’s an older YouTube video still online. Very GOOD piece on CNN Sanjay Gupta from 2017:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VydZssbwI
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37277

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The way he explained it, that it wasn't something he was wanting to do to his body, or to even get high, every time he mentioned why was because he had a wife and kids and just wanted to feel normal enough to go to work, he couldn't afford rehab, or to go to any clinic, it's always good to hear people out when you hear the craziest things a lot of the time it's not what it sounds, he was using it to keep head above water and not to get high he just took some bad advice along time ago and couldn't get any help without paying for it,...... well until now, and yeah I felt for him, he was pittiful, skinny, no color to his skin, and had a very beautiful wife and kids, so even tho I didn't agree with his decisions, I understood it, life has a crazy way of taking people down what seems the right path at that time just to find out it was just as bad if not worse than, before, for example take menthol_kratom "youtube" I've actually talked to this guy on several occasions, it kills me when people judge so fast without knowing the person history.
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37276

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Yes and no to a lot of that, I just got done talking to him and I asked a lot of questions, unfortunately I do get real personal in a way if you expect me to help, but he was 260 pounds 4 to 5 years ago, used Loperamide to get off suboxone, which in turn before that he used suboxone to get off methandone so it was a full circle, his thinking behind it was he could tapper down a over the counter med like Loperamide but it just never really happened 1 year turned to 2 years and 2 turned to 4, keep in mind this was a very emotional conversation, he said no 1 knows of hos addiction not his wife or his kids or any 1, " all I thought was wow how much trouble would a person go through to hide that", but his daily use was 50 tabs in the morning, then 25 every 4 to 6 hours after that, and since Loperamide passes the blood brain barrier it does get you high but he didn't describe it as that, he described it like a fog, and I asked about his bowl moments and at first paper antsy it was 1 bowl moment once every 4 to 5 days, then after a while his body got used to it got down to his norm which was a bowl moment once a day, but when I meet him he was 170 pounds from 260...... and when I showed him kratom he of course was like what that.... so I explained, and he was very doubtful, in long story short plain leaf did nothing, so I suggested enhanced leaf for a week to get over the acute, then tapper down to plain leaf and hooked him up with a vendor I reviewed recently and he send me weekly updates.

Ps, sorry for the long message.
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37222

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an approved OTC drug that people use to replace their opiates or keep from going into withdrawals.
And again these people could have just used kratom and not put themselves in danger.

have to go searching for stats.., some reason every media outlet doesnt have it like they do for kratom.

"Seven patients died during their initial hospital admission: 4 during 1985-2013 and 3 during 2014- 2016. This does not include the 19 cases of loperamide-related deaths reported by the NC OCME, as the patients in that report were all found dead before they could be transported to a hospital."

"From 1985 to 2016, 54 case reports of loperamide toxicity were published, with 21
cases between 1985 and 2013 and 33 cases between 2014 and 2016. In addition, 179 cases of
intentional loperamide misuse were reported to the National Poison Database System between
2008 and 2016, with more than half reported after January 1, 2014."

the abuse rate has gone up significantly so i would love to see the results from 2016 to current.
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37221

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Seems like the FDA has ENOUGH approved toxins to pull off the market! Honestly, speaking of “dangerous drugs”. Where are the statistics and the coroner reports and medical examiner findings on THAT stuff?! Nobody’s blaming that stuff on killing their kids?
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37218

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They may end up becoming impacted and have to go to the ER to clear the feces out. Yes it messes their stomach up and causes severe constipation. they are lucky if an enema would work if abused.
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37214

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I am sorry to be annoying and say, “I know, but..” (sorry)

How does someone process bodily waste while abusing Imodium? Just enema often? Ew
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37212

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I found out about this maybe a yr ago..,loperamide is actually an opioid. Issue is it needs to be taken at a very high dosage to cross the blood brain barrier."it can bind to the opioid receptors in the brain and cause effects similar to those of other opioids." Some call it the poor mans methadone cause you can use it if you run out of opiates.
But the severally dangerous thing is when people start taking often or even daily as their drug of choice. Obv. it is horrible for your stomach and other srs health effects associated with it when abused.

"The FDA recently introduced a new warning label with Imodium, indicating that taking a higher dose than what’s recommended can cause cardiac arrhythmias or heart attacks." People have died from this.

There have also been antidotal stories of people who have overdosed on Imodium and then die because of brain injuries or similar complications.

What they are pushing for is trying to stop the Big Box retail stores from selling it in bulk at cheap prices.
I used it all the time yrs ago at regular dosages due to the after effects of drinking and IBS. But was completely taking back when i found out what other people are using it for. Dangerous stuff. And legal with no urgency for the FDA to take action.
I would highly advise anyone against trying loperamide at high dosages and abusing it. Again not good for your body at all when abused.
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How to make enhanced blends question. 1 year 5 months ago #37193

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Oh how awful...poor guy...I’ve always wondered why people take that stuff to get high somehow when it’s a constipational hazard to be used with caution?

Do you happen to know how he pooped while abusing the substance?

What sort of pain triggered such a hazardous direction in his life, anonymously of course? There’s word the FDA will be putting that stuff behind the counter because of misuse and I can’t believe it would be worth never pooping again to use it for pain relief? Do you happen to know?

Wow! Good save, Ryano
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