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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6364

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I agree, Michaels, it's very frustrating! We did have two board members who favored us today. (Press release due in 2 hrs.) There is a heavy drug industry influence in that state, I've heard. I want to see a list of who's on the CSB there, to doublecheck.

Yeah Henningfield is the best guy to explain it to 'em, but their bias is showing. This Spring we may have another chance.
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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6363

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Wow, such a bummer :(

I was very optimistic about the fight in WI. With backing from Dr. Henningfield, how could they possibly turn the AKA's proposition down. They've taken proof that's beyond reasonable doubt and tossed it in the trash for their own motives. Such a shame, that's why I moved from the Midwest, the law enforcement there has it so backwards. The bipolar weather causes your brain to become confused and bipolar itself :P

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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6359

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As Michaels said, he probably isn't a troll, just an uneducated consumer.

The bad thing about an article like this is that is feeds the folks like your NJ assemblyman who want to shut kratom down. It makes it sound like a dangerous substance, with the unpleasant symptoms the guy describes. What the "Haters" forget is that, if you drink too much coffee, you can get some even scarier symptoms. Or, any substance can be abused, even water can be fatal if taken in excessive quantities.

So, this article fuels the fires of those who wish to ban those of us who DO know how to safely and effectively use this herb from obtaining it.

BTW, The Wisconsin CSB just voted not to remove kratom from their Schedule 1 list, again, ignoring one of the top scientists for the NIDA, who told them it is quite safe.
I'll have a press release coming out in a half hour or so. Most of the CSB have ties with the pharmaceutical industry, as I recall, so we knew it was going to be a tough fight. At least they didn't allow our arch-enemy, Lance Dyer to rant about kratom to them over a phone connection this time!
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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6356

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Just chiming in here, but I'm pretty sure that this article was written in complete truth...by a half-wit jock type looking to get a high out of Kratom. The way he described it, he took a pretty high dose of 3.5 grams for his first time (Guesstimating that each capsules was .5 grams). He then said he went to his neighbors pretty much looking for a good time on the "drug" he believed he just took. All he felt was the fatigue we all are familiar with when you take too high of a dose, so what does he do? He takes even more, so much that he becomes completely sedated and falls asleep.

This is a common case of uneducated use of the plant. If he would've done proper research, he would've known that it's energizing in low doses and sedating in higher doses. I personally believe that the biggest shame of this article is that if this guy would just use Kratom correctly, it would give him effects he desired. It would alter his mood in a positive and energetic manner and cause him to be more sociable, which was exactly what it seems to me that he was looking for. People will be people though so I digress, there's no changing the masses. One of my favorite quotes is from the first Men in Black:

"Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it."

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." :-?

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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6345

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kemppaulh@yahoo.com wrote: Chuck, after reading your response and thinking about this a minute, I'm wondering if this is written by a troll with the intent of scaring people away from kratom. If that's true, then it may be helpful in dissuading those who are looking for a "legal high" from bothering with kratom, which truly isn't what they're looking for.
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Yes Paul, if you are referring to the author of the article as being a troll (which I believe is what you're saying), I 100% agree! For a quick second though, I thought you meant I was a troll, lol. Anyway, I do think the author is trying to scare people away from Kratom, but only because he didn't get Kratom-weird (his words) from it. If that turns people off who are looking for that type of feeling from Kratom, so be it. That would be fine with me.
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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6340

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Chuck, after reading your response and thinking about this a minute, I'm wondering if this is written by a troll with the intent of scaring people away from kratom. If that's true, then it may be helpful in dissuading those who are looking for a "legal high" from bothering with kratom, which truly isn't what they're looking for.

Experience is a very good brand, from what I know of them, so I seriously doubt their product would be adulterated or spiked.

This dude either really is as dumb as he sounds, or else he is making this whole story up to keep people like him from using kratom, which would be a good thing. It's not really what they want.

The outrageous cost of modern cannabis has spawned the problem of drugs like Spice and K2 -- affordable, obtainable cannabis alternatives. And, of course, it was the ban on cannabis -- which any kid could grow in their back yard -- that created the whole "legal high" craze. Prohibition doesn't work...it just drives people to worse alternatives, creating a hungry market for terrible, dangerous drugs like Spice, Bath Salts and the like.

This fight for kratom criminalization is, to me, just an economic struggle by the rehab clinics to keep their lucrative game going by driving the herbal competition off the market. If they are the only legally-sanctioned alternative -- even though their product is more addictive than heroin, then they can continue to rake in big bucks. (And, they can funnel a chunk of their profits into keeping the politicians who support their overpriced monopoly in office!)

Our job at the AKA is to shame them into doing the moral and fiscally sound thing, by letting people have the kratom option, which is gentler and less expensive way to permanently end addiction.
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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6333

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" As alcohol use is prohibited under Islam, Kratom can be a common recreational substance among Muslims, according to a Transnational Institute report on Kratom in Thailand."


Muslims are only 4.6% of the Thai population.

Kratom sure had a much more dramatic effect on the guy who wrote that article than it does on me!

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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6332

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When uneducated people meet profound herbs, bad things happen. Casually taking some herb you know nothing about is a dumb thing to do. If you show some respect for the herb -- and take only a reasonable dose of something you know the potency of -- it will probably be kind to you.
But, if you take more on top of an already-large dose, because you're suffering from bravado and think you can handle anything, you're asking to be taught a lesson.
Learn about what you ingest, before you take the plunge! Then, have the decency not to brag about your insensitivity in an article bragging about your bad experience.

I agree, this guy is irksome! He gives kratom a bad name. He should stick to drinking beer!
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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6329

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I thought that was what he was getting at.
(L) Revelation 22:2 And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. (L)

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An article that Misconstrues Kratom I found. 4 years 11 months ago #6328

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KrayKray wrote: What is kratom-weird? :-? I've never heard of this term. Most people take kratom for its healing qualities.


Me thinks the author is referring to getting high...just my take on it...
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